LOT 18 WACKY WEDNESDAY – ZA 16 TRPF 15315 CH – SIRE BRED FROM A BROTHER HARRY X LIMOGES GABY. AND DAM FROM SON OF HARRY MATED TO HALFSISTER HARRY. THIS HEN BRED WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

Name: LOT 18 WACKY WEDNESDAY - ZA 16 TRPF 15315 CH - SIRE BRED FROM A BROTHER HARRY X LIMOGES GABY. AND DAM FROM SON OF HARRY MATED TO HALFSISTER HARRY. THIS HEN BRED WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!
SKU: 29773
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R1,500

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION - FROM 9 SEPTEMBER TO WEDNESDAY 11 SEPTEMBER 2024 (LOT 1 ENDS FROM 20:00)

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Highest bidder was: Puluz

Date	Bid	User
11th September 2024 10:34	R1,500	Puluz
11th September 2024 1:38	R1,000	Wmsmith7101
10th September 2024 17:44	Auction started

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Date	Auction	Username	Bid	Status
28th October 2026 23:51	LOT 69 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Jort Batenburg & PIPA-NL-25-1279995 -SIRE: BE24-4174591 — “SON MÉCHANT BK” Direct son of “Méchant Best Kittel”, 1st National Ace KBDB Sprint 2022, representing the Dehon-Demonseau/Best Kittel line. His dam, “Super Jade” NL16-1509393, is bred from “New Remy” × “Klein Jade”, the 1st International Barcelona winner in 2014. “Super Jade” is mother to 2nd National Perpignan 2020 and grandmother to “Klein Victoria Best Kittel”, 1st Super Ace VFWCPR 2023. A pedigree combining elite sprint performance with proven long-distance and one-loft racing results.————— DAM: NL23-9299458 — “DAUGHTER WACKO FREDDY” Direct daughter of the influential PIPA Elite Center breeder “Wacko Freddy”, sire of “Porsche 911”, “Boxster”, “Prince Porsche” and other successful breeders and racers. His descendants have achieved multiple National Ace titles and leading one-loft race results. Her dam is “Daughter Lars”, a daughter of “Lars”, 2nd National Perpignan 2020, paired with “Kleine Meike”, 4th NPO Bergerac and 4th NPO Perigueux. NL23-9299458 is mother to 259th in the Corabia Winter Race final 2025; her nestmate bred 1st Activation Race VFWCPR 2025 and 2nd SA Marismas Masters 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	ricky2	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
28th October 2026 23:50	LOT 66 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Knol Pigeons-NL-25-1574103 -SIRE: NL20-1118954 “De 954” — Tim Hage A chequer white-flight cock bred from “Drie 8tjes” (NL18-1132888) and “Zus Tinker Bell” (NL16-1559335). His recorded results include 31st Bressols against 15,296 pigeons, 5th Ruffec against 374, and 78th St. Vincent against 3,023. His brother, NL20-1525163, achieved 3rd National Agen ZLU against 6,019 pigeons. His dam is a sister to “Tinker Bell,” credited with 1st Sector 2 Cahors against 5,849 pigeons, 9th Sector 2 Tarbes against 2,217, and fifth-best marathon pigeon in the Netherlands.———— DAM: NL22-8097617 “De 617” — Berg A blue hen with recorded performances including 14th Bordeaux against 311 pigeons, 126th Périgueux against 2,908, and 507th Ruffec against 6,906. She is a daughter of “De Ruffec” (NL21-1531578), who scored 10th Ruffec against 2,627 pigeons, and “De 636” (NL21-1531636) of Verweij/Berg. Her pedigree includes the “Mieke,” “Oriana,” “Miss Gijsje,” and “Jamie” families, bringing together several generations of distance-racing ancestry.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	taubenmaenner	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
28th October 2026 23:43	ZZ..LOT 112 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills A-ZA-25-MOUN-143 -Sire ZA-23-MOUN-830 “Rambo”. Red chequer stock cock from Greipel Star and Golden Mask. His first AfrikaPro offspring included top-ten performers in 2025. ————–Dam ZA-23-MOUN-924 “Star Rider”. TPA 2024 Yearling Short Distance Ace and 5th Overall Short Distance Ace. Daughter of New Replacement and Mirracle Star.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fishing	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
28th October 2026 23:36	LOT 81 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills B-ZA-25-MOUN-180 -Sire ZA-19-MOUN-703 “New Replacement”. Mountain Lofts cock and sire of Home Town Hero, Pretoria Union Sprint Ace. Son of Concorde and Golden Mask. ————Dam ZA-19-MOUN-725 “Mirracle Star”. Stock-bred hen from Alles Acht and Piero 5. Dam of TPA short-distance ace Star Rider and AfrikaPro performer Today Winner.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fishing	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
28th October 2026 23:32	LOT 78 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills A-ZA-25-MOUN-170 -FULL BROTHER 9TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025————SIRE:ZA 18 MOUN 816 . Alias “THE ORIGINAL” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE BAR “THE ORIGINAL” ZA18 MOUN 816 SIRE TO: ZA20 MOUN 909 SANPO SILVER MEDAL LONG DISTANCE 2023 AND 4 X 1ST ACE OVER 3 YEARS SIRE TO :ZA21 VIL 1817 “FULL CREDIT” 5 X WINNER 2 X UNION WINNER SIRE TO: QATAR 812 13TH FINAL RACE AFRIKAPRO 2023.————DAM: ZA 19 MOUN 628 .Alias “MASTER POWER” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER POWER” 2 FULL SISTERS BOTH 4 X WINNERS 11TH ACE UNION YEARLINGS 2020 13TH ACE UNION SHORT DISTANCE 2020 2ND CLUB, 5TH UNION BLOEMFONTEIN 440KM 4TH CLUB, 25 UNION SMITHFIELD 530KM 7TH CLUB, 25 UNION REDDERSBURG 487KM.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	fishing	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
28th October 2026 22:02	ZZ..LOT 151 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Karoo Afrika Syndicate-ZA-25-NOK/CAS-765 -Sire ZA-14-CAS-2289. Gavin Rous stock cock from the family of the three influential breeding brothers 2289, 2005 and 620, credited with winners in several lofts. —————Dam ZA-21-NOK-253. Five-time winner, including a Union win. Dam of Mega Impact, 8th Dinokeng Ace 2023, and Matthew McGrath, 25th AfrikaPro Ace 2023.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	j-man	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
28th October 2026 21:44	LOT 42 DINOKENG AUCTION 2-FARMERS LOFTS-ZA SLIM 25- 2184 –	pietersmaldeel	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
28th October 2026 21:42	.LOT 3 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-CJ Templar & Hendrik Huyser-ZA-25-CRU-4271 -SIRE: 270 ZA 24 HHH.Alias “INBRED KITTEL” Strain: KITTEL DIRK VAN DEN BULCK Color: Red Check BRED FOR STOCK, ————-DAM:265 ZA 24 HHH.Alias “INBRED 810” Strain: 810 SABLON COLLECTION Color: Blue Bar BRED FOR STOCK.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	welgiejd	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
28th October 2026 21:40	LOT 17 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-NEC Syndicate-ZA-25-OP-7744 -BRED OUT MY BEST PAIR: BRED SAME AS: ZA 212 – 24 Outstanding Breeder at Diaz One Loft For Champion Fancier Lex Webster Nestmates DIAZ 49 / 50 2026 Flew 3rd & 5th Diaz Final Greytown 635km 1269mpm ( 5 Birds away by 7 minutes )——SIRE: 1576 ZA 21 CRU.Alias “4th Ace” Strain: Du Preez&Deetlefs Color: BB 4th Ace Bird Carnival OLR 2022 WInter 4th Race 3 460km 1315mpm 4th Race 5 505km 1346mpm 28th Main Race 630km 1047mpm.————DAM:ZA 22 GRPF 596 . PIGEON PALACE. SIRE AND DAM IS BRED BY FERDIE LUBBE (MOUNTAIN LOFTS). THIS HEN IS A FULL SISTER TO MOUN 806/18 1ST PTA UNION AND 1ST GAUTENG COMBINE. HER SIRE HAS BRED 4 WINNERS FOR PIGEON PALACE. HER GRANDSIRE ALLREADY BRED 10 WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	norman-phillips	R6,500	Current bid: R6,500
28th October 2026 21:37	LOT 23 DINOKENG AUCTION 2-HILLCREST STUD-ZA HILLCREST 25- 114 –	hillcrest	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
28th October 2026 21:18	LOT 22 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills B-ZA-25-MOUN-192 -FULL BROTHER 9TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025————SIRE:ZA 18 MOUN 816 . Alias “THE ORIGINAL” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE BAR “THE ORIGINAL” ZA18 MOUN 816 SIRE TO: ZA20 MOUN 909 SANPO SILVER MEDAL LONG DISTANCE 2023 AND 4 X 1ST ACE OVER 3 YEARS SIRE TO :ZA21 VIL 1817 “FULL CREDIT” 5 X WINNER 2 X UNION WINNER SIRE TO: QATAR 812 13TH FINAL RACE AFRIKAPRO 2023.————DAM: ZA 19 MOUN 628 .Alias “MASTER POWER” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER POWER” 2 FULL SISTERS BOTH 4 X WINNERS 11TH ACE UNION YEARLINGS 2020 13TH ACE UNION SHORT DISTANCE 2020 2ND CLUB, 5TH UNION BLOEMFONTEIN 440KM 4TH CLUB, 25 UNION SMITHFIELD 530KM 7TH CLUB, 25 UNION REDDERSBURG 487KM.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	fishing	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
28th October 2026 21:16	LOT 42 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Fred Coetzer-ZA-25-FHC-2175 -SIRE: “SENNA” — DV 19 08156 643 A blue bar Helmut Schulz cock and sire of Boela, winner of the Greater Gauteng Combine in 2024. Senna is bred from “Brother Black Champ,” a full brother to Black Champ, who achieved 9th in the SAMDPR Final and 4th Grand Average, winning US$34,000. His dam, “Miss Dynamite,” combines the Helmut and Schulz Lady lines. His pedigree also features Pokerface and Miss Black, bringing together a family with notable one-loft and combine results.———— DAM: “FEMKE BOL” — ZA 22 FHC 1208 A Gaby Vandenabeele hen combining concentrated Bliksem–Fryda breeding with the Royal Blue and Mona lines. Her sire, “Mooie Bliksem,” was bred from a full brother-and-sister pairing, both children of Bliksem and Fryda. Her dam, “Sister Gloria,” is a full sister to Gloria, the 2nd best long-distance pigeon in the KBDB in 2013. Described by her breeder as exceptional in the hand with silky-soft feathers, Femke Bol carries a pedigree built around proven Vandenabeele breeding stock.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	ngobeni	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
28th October 2026 21:12	LOT 67 DINOKENG AUCTION 2-SPL LOFTS-ZA TPA 2025 8638 –	toni-dossantos65gmail-com	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
28th October 2026 21:10	LOT 17 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-NEC Syndicate-ZA-25-OP-7744 -BRED OUT MY BEST PAIR: BRED SAME AS: ZA 212 – 24 Outstanding Breeder at Diaz One Loft For Champion Fancier Lex Webster Nestmates DIAZ 49 / 50 2026 Flew 3rd & 5th Diaz Final Greytown 635km 1269mpm ( 5 Birds away by 7 minutes )——SIRE: 1576 ZA 21 CRU.Alias “4th Ace” Strain: Du Preez&Deetlefs Color: BB 4th Ace Bird Carnival OLR 2022 WInter 4th Race 3 460km 1315mpm 4th Race 5 505km 1346mpm 28th Main Race 630km 1047mpm.————DAM:ZA 22 GRPF 596 . PIGEON PALACE. SIRE AND DAM IS BRED BY FERDIE LUBBE (MOUNTAIN LOFTS). THIS HEN IS A FULL SISTER TO MOUN 806/18 1ST PTA UNION AND 1ST GAUTENG COMBINE. HER SIRE HAS BRED 4 WINNERS FOR PIGEON PALACE. HER GRANDSIRE ALLREADY BRED 10 WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fishing	R6,000	Current bid: R6,500
28th October 2026 20:50	LOT 10 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Pigeon Palace I-ZA-25-TPA-7339 ——-DAM IS HALF SISTER “SIERRA BLU” MOTHER TO AFRIKAPRO FINAL RACE WINNER 2026———-SIRE: ZAABL-24-1458 — “Palace Prince” A mealy pied Kittel–Di Caprio cock, inbred to “Special Kittel” and the renowned “95 Hen.” Bred from “Kittel Bolt” × “Turbo Red,” he combines proven breeding strength with outstanding racing performance. Sire of “Lara,” the phenomenal Afrika Pro 2025 racer crowned 1st Ace Pigeon Overall and 1st Ace Pigeon Long Distance, also placing 3rd in the 601 km final at 1,150 m/min. Also sire of “Fiero,” 2nd in the Afrika Pro 2025 final over 601 km.———— DAM: KGL-23-176 A blue chequer Pigeon Palace hen and a proven racer, particularly over long distances. Half-sister to the 6th-place finisher in the Afrika Pro 2025 final. Bred from “Numero Uno,” a top stock cock responsible for numerous race winners, and “58 JBM’s Girl,” a Sablon–Aelbrecht hen from an exceptional performance family. Her pedigree includes connections to “Julia,” winner of the Afrika Pro 2022 final, and the Dinokeng Barzalona winner and solo bakkie winner.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	annetjie	R20,500	Current bid: R20,500
28th October 2026 20:47	LOT 23 DINOKENG AUCTION 2-HILLCREST STUD-ZA HILLCREST 25- 114 –	richard-von-willingh	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
28th October 2026 20:34	ZZ..LOT 143 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2-Three Strand Racing-ZA-25-BPFD-5137 -SIRE: ZA 21 BPFD 902 – “YOUNG JUNIOR” A Federation winner and super breeder that bred the 2025 BPF Combine Long Distance Ace Bird. He is a direct son of “JUNIOR” (ZA 14 BPFD 236), sire of 11 Federation winners and multiple Ace Birds. His dam, ZA 19 BPFD 2991, is a super breeder that also bred a 2025 BPF Combine Ace Bird. His pedigree further combines “KINGPIN” with Pigeon Palace’s Mirage/Golden TT bloodlines, including a double Federation winner.————– DAM: ZA 17 TRPF 1826 – “PIGEON PALACE” A winning Bosua/Grondelaer hen and super breeder that bred the 2025 BPF Combine Long Distance Ace Bird. Her sire is “LOT 7” (BELG 10 6342151), the Kees Bosua foundation cock credited with breeding three Gauteng Combine winners. Her dam is “57” (ZA 11 TRPF 24857), a Grondelaer/Catryss foundation hen that bred a double Federation winner. A pedigree combining proven racing performance with established breeding strength.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	andre	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
28th October 2026 20:34	.LOT 7 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 23 KPUD 102 – “TRUPUT” Cock Painter Putterie DC A true Putterie through and through – bred from two pure Painter Putterie lines. This cock was a great racer scoring 2 X Top 3 Combine as well as 2 X Top 25 Kgalagadi Gauteng Province. His father “CROOKED KEEL COCK” is the top breeding son of our famous “NEW DUDE”. He proved an immediate success as a breeder, producing 2 individual Combine Winners plus another 5 Club Winners and Top 1% Union performers in only 3 years. His mother is the “RINGLESS CHESTNUT HEN”, last daughter of our great click pair “PLATINUM JAN” X “CHESTNUT HEN” – a pair that has produced great breeders of winners and Top 1% Union performers for us, Cobra Loft, Stolp Loft and others. The blood of “NEW DUDE”, “PLATINUM JAN” and our famous 911 line combined in one cock – better Putterie blood than this you won’t get!SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	mylesvan	R10,000	Winning Bid: R10,000
28th October 2026 20:33	.LOT 7 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 23 KPUD 102 – “TRUPUT” Cock Painter Putterie DC A true Putterie through and through – bred from two pure Painter Putterie lines. This cock was a great racer scoring 2 X Top 3 Combine as well as 2 X Top 25 Kgalagadi Gauteng Province. His father “CROOKED KEEL COCK” is the top breeding son of our famous “NEW DUDE”. He proved an immediate success as a breeder, producing 2 individual Combine Winners plus another 5 Club Winners and Top 1% Union performers in only 3 years. His mother is the “RINGLESS CHESTNUT HEN”, last daughter of our great click pair “PLATINUM JAN” X “CHESTNUT HEN” – a pair that has produced great breeders of winners and Top 1% Union performers for us, Cobra Loft, Stolp Loft and others. The blood of “NEW DUDE”, “PLATINUM JAN” and our famous 911 line combined in one cock – better Putterie blood than this you won’t get!SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bradburylofts	R9,500	Winning Bid: R10,000
28th October 2026 20:33	.LOT 7 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 23 KPUD 102 – “TRUPUT” Cock Painter Putterie DC A true Putterie through and through – bred from two pure Painter Putterie lines. This cock was a great racer scoring 2 X Top 3 Combine as well as 2 X Top 25 Kgalagadi Gauteng Province. His father “CROOKED KEEL COCK” is the top breeding son of our famous “NEW DUDE”. He proved an immediate success as a breeder, producing 2 individual Combine Winners plus another 5 Club Winners and Top 1% Union performers in only 3 years. His mother is the “RINGLESS CHESTNUT HEN”, last daughter of our great click pair “PLATINUM JAN” X “CHESTNUT HEN” – a pair that has produced great breeders of winners and Top 1% Union performers for us, Cobra Loft, Stolp Loft and others. The blood of “NEW DUDE”, “PLATINUM JAN” and our famous 911 line combined in one cock – better Putterie blood than this you won’t get!SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	mylesvan	R9,000	Winning Bid: R10,000

LOT 18 WACKY WEDNESDAY – ZA 16 TRPF 15315 CH – SIRE BRED FROM A BROTHER HARRY X LIMOGES GABY. AND DAM FROM SON OF HARRY MATED TO HALFSISTER HARRY. THIS HEN BRED WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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.LOT 6 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 CDP 214 – GERHARD SUPA QUICK -SIRE: ZA 21 VPU 769 . Alias “Luke Skywalker” Strain: G.Oswald X Color: Blue Check.——–DAM: ZA 15 NBHUD 5416. GABY VANDENABEELE / GRONDELAER. THIS IS A GRANDCHILD TO FAMOUS “KROMME”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

.LOT 1 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION – ZA 23 NBD 8755 – DE WET & HUNTER – SIRE: ZA 19 HHC 3623 . BRED BY DAVE GILBERT.———–DAM:1423 NBHU . WON KLAPMUTS FINAL 2018.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

LOT 17 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 BORD 2934 – AMOS BROWN —–9TH BARCELONA—SIRE: SIERENS/LOCK.——–DAM:SCHROYENS/BAD BOY DEN AS LINE.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

.LOT 8 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 KM 235 – MC DANIEL -SIRE: ZA 19 VPUD 4779. SIERENS SABLON. HIS SIRE IS A GRANDSON TO THE FAMOUS “R50 000 ANDRE COCK”.————DAM:ZA 20 OERF 7865 . DE RAUW SABLON. BAK 17 LINES. “IL RAGNO ” BLOOD LINES. SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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LOT 10 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 KHS 368 – UITZICHT HOKKE -SIRE:LIM 0387 16 . CPL BLOEMFONTEIN 9409/21 KHS (DAUGHTER) 4TH MATJIESFONTEIN 2022 (SOLD FOR R12 000.00). ALFONS KLAAS BLOODLINES.———–DAM:10600 18 NK . SAVILLE PENKIN BLOODLINES.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!

LOT 13 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 KM 464 – ANDRE VAN HEERDEN -SIRE:1090 NPN 2022 . PENNINGTON LOFT. HOOYMANS. ——-DAM:3370 HHC 22 . DAVE GILBERT.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

.LOT 2 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 PTAO 128 – B SAMUELS & MOONLIGHTERS – SIRE: ZA 21 CAS 109 , GAVIN ROUS. BRED OUT OF ROODHOOFT BLOODLINES.——-DAM:ZA 21 0248 BENZ. LOCK/SABLON. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!

LOT 21 WACKY WEDNESDAY – ZA 13 GPU 13008 – SIRE : DV 485 08 04236. EIJERKAMP / VAN DYCK.—– DAM: 145 DV 07 08071. KOOPMAN / VAN DYCK RAMBO. SEE PEDIGREE!!

LOT 14 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 KM 263 – LABUSCH LOFTS -SIRE:ZA 15 NKR 617 . —-DAM:ZA 19 NKR 4022.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

.LOT 7 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 BORD 2927 – AMOS BROWN -SIRE:SCROYENS.—–DAM: CLAUSING – KING DAVID. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!

LOT 12 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 CDP 253 – LIZELLE EN KINDERS —3RD HOTSPOT 3—SIRE:ZA 18 156604 . Alias “New Rudy” Strain: Gaby Vandenabele Color: Blue Check.———DAM: ZA 20 CDP 222/223 . Strain: Herman Color: Skalie Bred for stock, brother & sister mating..SEE PEDIGREE!!!

.LOT 9 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 NKR 211 – LABUSCH LOFTS -SIRE:ZA 15 NKR 0921 . DAM:ZA 19 162432 . SEE PEDIGREE!!!!

.LOT 4 WACKY WEDNESDAY KAROO MILLION -ZA 23 NKR 229 – LABUSCH LOFTS ——–SIRE:ZA 20 NKR 738 . —-DAM:ZA 19 162584 .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!