LOT 21 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 5 -Klaus Stieneker / Rob & Pim van Veen-DV-24-01654-321 –

Name: LOT 21 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 5 -Klaus Stieneker / Rob &amp; Pim van Veen-DV-24-01654-321 -
SKU: 49878
Availability: OutOfStock

Winning Bid: R2,000

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 5 - FROM 13 NOVEMBER TO SUNDAY 17 NOVEMBER 2024 (ENDS FROM 13:00)

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Highest bidder was: victor123

Date	Bid	User
17th November 2024 13:39	R2,000	victor123
17th November 2024 12:29	R1,500	Leonardo
14th November 2024 21:02	R1,000	Zwarts@
13th November 2024 10:57	Auction started

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25th August 2026 17:16	LOT 90 SAIPR WINTER OLR-Gys Louw 1-TPA 7180 2025 –	white-lightning	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 17:16	ZZ..LOT 119 SAIPR WINTER OLR -NINJA3-ZA VPU 2705 2025 –	sardien	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
25th August 2026 17:10	LOT 46 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Nico Muller-ZA TPA 9790 2025 -8TH GRAND AVERAGES—3RD HOTSPOT 3 EQUAL WINNER—–SIRE:4407 PRPC 19 ZA .Color: Red Check Top breeding cock from my No 1 Bussheart pair ( Albert & 18159) Brother to many breeders of winners and related to my best racers 4407 Bred winner and many top racers with different hens – 4094/23 – “Night flyer” Only bird on the day from Vic West 2024 – 9790/25 – 8th Ace Bird Saipr 2026 – 6408/24 – Best 2025 young bird in my loft (Scored 7 times in 8 races) – 2529/22 – Lost by 1 sec – 12001/25 – 2nd TPA Breeder stakes.———–DAM:43000 17 ZA.Strain: Acke / Southee Color: Blue Bar. GOOD MIDDLE TO LONG DISTANCE RACER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	white-lightning	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 17:09	LOT 48 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Gys Louw 2-TPA 7184 2025 -SIRE:ZA-18-93146 C ’46 Number one’.Fantastic racer and best youngbird in the loft. Super stock cock for us in only 2 years of breeding. Sire to Crusaders club Derby winner in his first year of breeding also sire to federation winners. and great racers. Halfbrother to the famous ‘180k hen’. Superpair when mated. to ’28 Aelbrecht’.Together they are ranked in the top 3 pairs in our loft.——DAM: GPU-19-7719 H “COMBINE A SMALL” Broken Keel, BCH. Top racing hen for ex-GPU Champion Andries Small. Double winner and Gauteng Combine winner, bred from his proven click pair.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	white-lightning	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
25th August 2026 16:49	LOT 24 SAIPR WINTER OLR – IAN D-ZA KRETZYLOFT 7 2026 –6TH HOTSPOT 1 EQUAL WINNER , 19TH FINAL RACE———SIRE : NL 21 1675614 . Father is ‘Unique Junior’, from best racing son x mother of ‘Best Kittel’ Mother is ‘Danielle’, daughter of 1. Nat. acebird KBDB ‘Daniel’————-DAM:B-20-4194356 “DIAMOND KITTEL”. DIRK VAN DEN BULCK. THIS IS A DIRECT GRAND DAUGHTER TO FAMOUS “NEW KITTEL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	amo	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 16:38	ZZ..LOT 124 SAIPR WINTER OLR -JAN HOOYMANS 2-NL 25 1381014 –	agh-pigeons	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 16:36	ZZ..LOT 140 SAIPR WINTER OLR -PAINTER & ULLRICH-DV 01811/1799 2025##### -“SKIDROP” was a good racer scoring regularly in the Top 100 during the series at SAIPR Winter 2026. Her sire, “DROPLETS COCK”, is also father to 9th Final Afrikapro 2023. He also bred us several other top performers including a Union Winner on the long distances. His children perform well especially on warm/hot races. Her dam, “STARSKI” (D563/21), is a true superstar – 4 X Winner and 6 X Top 1% at Union level, direct daughter of “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” from a real deal click pair where every child became a champion racer and breeder. She bred winners from her first nest – a total of 4 so far. “STARSKI” is also a full sister to “SUPERSKI” who flew 8th Afrikapro Final 2022. Her father “NIEUWE KAAS”, a phenomenal breeder was sold to Mike Ganus for R250k. This cross brings together elite Belgian OLR genetics with one of Die Painters’ most influential modern breeding hens.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	agh-pigeons	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
25th August 2026 16:35	LOT 67 SAIPR WINTER OLR – LOFT EINKAMERER 2-ZA EIN 285 2025 –	agh-pigeons	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
25th August 2026 16:23	LOT 17 SAIPR WINTER OLR – PASSION LOFTS 1-OERF 6687 2025 -4TH GRAND AVERAGES———SIRE:27 ZA CAS 25 “ICE-CREAM” Dr Gavin Rous Foundation A powerful sire bred from the outstanding “Fourteen” family, combining the renowned genetics of Dr Gavin Rous, André Roodhooft, Tom Lock and B&R Bouwers. His pedigree includes the famous Dr Gavin Rous Egg Cock, Tom Lock Egg Cock, Tom Lock “Hawk”, Twilight Cock and multiple winner bloodlines. A valuable foundation cock with proven champion genetics throughout..————-DAM:4710 ZA BPFD 24 “FOURTY SEVEN TEN” JJJ van der Linde Foundation A quality foundation hen bred from the exceptional JJJ van der Linde, Tom Lock, “Golden Hawk”, “Supreme Hawk”, “810” and “8855” bloodlines. Her sire side includes the renowned “Witoog” hen, closely related to the Tom Lock Car Winner and the Ace Pigeon of Hawk River Loft. Her dam side represents the golden genetic base of Marcel Aelbrecht, Frans Sablon, Etienne De Rauw, Pros Roosen, Freddie Vandenheede and Eric Limbourg—a powerful combination of proven racing and breeding bloodlines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	marlo-maree	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
25th August 2026 16:07	LOT 17 SAIPR WINTER OLR – PASSION LOFTS 1-OERF 6687 2025 -4TH GRAND AVERAGES———SIRE:27 ZA CAS 25 “ICE-CREAM” Dr Gavin Rous Foundation A powerful sire bred from the outstanding “Fourteen” family, combining the renowned genetics of Dr Gavin Rous, André Roodhooft, Tom Lock and B&R Bouwers. His pedigree includes the famous Dr Gavin Rous Egg Cock, Tom Lock Egg Cock, Tom Lock “Hawk”, Twilight Cock and multiple winner bloodlines. A valuable foundation cock with proven champion genetics throughout..————-DAM:4710 ZA BPFD 24 “FOURTY SEVEN TEN” JJJ van der Linde Foundation A quality foundation hen bred from the exceptional JJJ van der Linde, Tom Lock, “Golden Hawk”, “Supreme Hawk”, “810” and “8855” bloodlines. Her sire side includes the renowned “Witoog” hen, closely related to the Tom Lock Car Winner and the Ace Pigeon of Hawk River Loft. Her dam side represents the golden genetic base of Marcel Aelbrecht, Frans Sablon, Etienne De Rauw, Pros Roosen, Freddie Vandenheede and Eric Limbourg—a powerful combination of proven racing and breeding bloodlines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	rautenbach-drikusgmail-com	R2,500	Current bid: R3,000
25th August 2026 15:44	LOT 42 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Exclusive Pigeon Paradise 1-ZA JKL 172 2025 -Full sibling to “EPP AMARA”, 54th in Race 2 AfrikaPro OLR 2026.Additional results listed on the pedigree include 2nd Final Marlbank OLR 2025, 1st Semi-Final Marlbank OLR 2025, 3rd Ace Bird Marlbank OLR 2025, 4th Final AfrikaPro OLR 2025, 8th Brown Jacket AfrikaPro OLR 2025, 8th Blue Jacket AfrikaPro OLR 2025, 10th Final Dinokeng OLR 2025, 12th Hotspot 1 Victoria Falls OLR 2026, 1st Eduro Race Victoria Falls OLR 2026 and 1st Semi-Final SAIPR Winter OLR 2026.————–SIRE – ZA VPU 8964 22 M “KALAHARI LION” Strain: 1st Dinokeng 23 line. Sire to ZA JKL 1061/24 “EPP MILA”, 10th Final Dinokeng OLR 2025, and ZA JKL 1060/24 “EPP LAYLA”, 21st Final Dinokeng OLR 2025. Full brother to ZA VPU 9428/22 “KALAHARI SANDS”: • 1st Dinokeng Final Race Winner 2023 • 2nd Ace Bird Dinokeng OLR 2023 • 35th Barzalona Race————–DAM – ZA ABL 1435 24 F This hen has Best Kittel, Best Kittel II and Kittel all in a single pedigree. Better than this, I don’t think you can get. In her first year in stock, she bred the best bird in the loft.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	michael-rossouw	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 15:32	ZZ..LOT 103 SAIPR WINTER OLR -Ruan Fouche-WKU 640 2025 –	michael-rossouw	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 15:07	LOT 17 SAIPR WINTER OLR – PASSION LOFTS 1-OERF 6687 2025 -4TH GRAND AVERAGES———SIRE:27 ZA CAS 25 “ICE-CREAM” Dr Gavin Rous Foundation A powerful sire bred from the outstanding “Fourteen” family, combining the renowned genetics of Dr Gavin Rous, André Roodhooft, Tom Lock and B&R Bouwers. His pedigree includes the famous Dr Gavin Rous Egg Cock, Tom Lock Egg Cock, Tom Lock “Hawk”, Twilight Cock and multiple winner bloodlines. A valuable foundation cock with proven champion genetics throughout..————-DAM:4710 ZA BPFD 24 “FOURTY SEVEN TEN” JJJ van der Linde Foundation A quality foundation hen bred from the exceptional JJJ van der Linde, Tom Lock, “Golden Hawk”, “Supreme Hawk”, “810” and “8855” bloodlines. Her sire side includes the renowned “Witoog” hen, closely related to the Tom Lock Car Winner and the Ace Pigeon of Hawk River Loft. Her dam side represents the golden genetic base of Marcel Aelbrecht, Frans Sablon, Etienne De Rauw, Pros Roosen, Freddie Vandenheede and Eric Limbourg—a powerful combination of proven racing and breeding bloodlines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	denisedaxxess-co-za	R2,000	Current bid: R3,000
25th August 2026 15:00	ZZ..LOT 107 SAIPR WINTER OLR -Siebrie Syndicate-DV 06723/5736 2025 –	danke	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
25th August 2026 14:52	LOT 25 SAIPR WINTER OLR – OOA & RVV 2-ZA VPU 4265 2025 – 5TH FINAL RACE WINNING R90 000.00——–SIRE ZA 22 ABL 883 Alias “MEALY TURBO KITTEL 883” Strain: A BESTER – SUPER SPRINT 26 Color: Red Chequer ZA ABL 883/22 – “MEALY TURBO KITTEL 883” – Proven breeder of top stock. His children, when mated to 2 different hens are breeding top racers. Sire to ZA OOA 337/25- SAIPR SUMMER RACE ENTRANT 2026 – LATER bred Equal 1st on the drop – 4th Hot Spot 3, Bloemfontein, 288km, vel 1108. Wins R10 000. His nestmate ZA ABL 0882/22 – Is sire to ZA ABL 1322/24- 1st Ace Pigeon Overall Tshwane Pigeon Association, 2025 2nd Ace Pigeon Overall Combine of Greater Gauteng. His daughter ZA WPU 1816/25 – Dam to 2 winners in 2026 season – J Breedt————–DAM ZA 20 VPU 9224 Alias “4TH FINAL 2ND ACE” Strain: 1st Nat Ace X 810/371 Color: BbwF ZA VPU 9224/20 – “LEOPARD” – Equal 1st on the drop – 4th Dinokeng Final 2021, Colesberg, 655km, vel 1344 – Winner of R100 000. 2nd Ace Pigeon Dinokeng 2021 Series. Winner of R30 000. Dam in turn to ZA VPU 9428/22 “KALAHARI SANDS” Dinokeng Entrant 2023- SOLD FOR R63 000.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	aneeskathrada	R6,500	Current bid: R6,500
25th August 2026 14:50	LOT 30 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Gys Louw 1-TPA 7198 2025##### -Halfsister Lara’ Pigeon Palace Grizzle Halfsister ‘Lara’ record breaking machine at Afrika Pro ’25. Blue Jacket Ace pigeon overall. Brown Jacket long distance Ace. 3rd Final race. Lara was sold for 112 000 euro’s.—————–SIRE:GB-23-75451 C ‘Grizzle Prince’ Derek Walsh Grizzle Super inbred to worldfamous breeders Di Caprio ace racer 3 x winner, father to Olympiad pigeon ‘Olympic Niels’ Olympiad pigeon Belgium Cat A Co-winner Gouden duif trophy. Ace MD Superfond Ace union Antwerp 2 x 1st Provincial Champion 2012 Kannibaal National Ace KBDB MD and foundation breeder for many fanciers around the world. Responsible for the most Sprint/Middle distance KBDB National Ace titles.—————-DAM:PWDU-20-2638 H ‘Mienke sister’ Pigeon Palace BB Her sister ‘Mienke’ was an outstanding performer at Dinokeng OLR. Mother to ‘Lara’ phenomenal record breaking racing machine at Afrika Pro 2025. 1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket) 3rd final race 601 km 1150 mpm.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	aneeskathrada	R7,000	Current bid: R7,000
25th August 2026 14:50	LOT 30 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Gys Louw 1-TPA 7198 2025##### -Halfsister Lara’ Pigeon Palace Grizzle Halfsister ‘Lara’ record breaking machine at Afrika Pro ’25. Blue Jacket Ace pigeon overall. Brown Jacket long distance Ace. 3rd Final race. Lara was sold for 112 000 euro’s.—————–SIRE:GB-23-75451 C ‘Grizzle Prince’ Derek Walsh Grizzle Super inbred to worldfamous breeders Di Caprio ace racer 3 x winner, father to Olympiad pigeon ‘Olympic Niels’ Olympiad pigeon Belgium Cat A Co-winner Gouden duif trophy. Ace MD Superfond Ace union Antwerp 2 x 1st Provincial Champion 2012 Kannibaal National Ace KBDB MD and foundation breeder for many fanciers around the world. Responsible for the most Sprint/Middle distance KBDB National Ace titles.—————-DAM:PWDU-20-2638 H ‘Mienke sister’ Pigeon Palace BB Her sister ‘Mienke’ was an outstanding performer at Dinokeng OLR. Mother to ‘Lara’ phenomenal record breaking racing machine at Afrika Pro 2025. 1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket) 3rd final race 601 km 1150 mpm.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	annetjie	R7,000	Current bid: R7,000
25th August 2026 14:50	LOT 30 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Gys Louw 1-TPA 7198 2025##### -Halfsister Lara’ Pigeon Palace Grizzle Halfsister ‘Lara’ record breaking machine at Afrika Pro ’25. Blue Jacket Ace pigeon overall. Brown Jacket long distance Ace. 3rd Final race. Lara was sold for 112 000 euro’s.—————–SIRE:GB-23-75451 C ‘Grizzle Prince’ Derek Walsh Grizzle Super inbred to worldfamous breeders Di Caprio ace racer 3 x winner, father to Olympiad pigeon ‘Olympic Niels’ Olympiad pigeon Belgium Cat A Co-winner Gouden duif trophy. Ace MD Superfond Ace union Antwerp 2 x 1st Provincial Champion 2012 Kannibaal National Ace KBDB MD and foundation breeder for many fanciers around the world. Responsible for the most Sprint/Middle distance KBDB National Ace titles.—————-DAM:PWDU-20-2638 H ‘Mienke sister’ Pigeon Palace BB Her sister ‘Mienke’ was an outstanding performer at Dinokeng OLR. Mother to ‘Lara’ phenomenal record breaking racing machine at Afrika Pro 2025. 1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket) 3rd final race 601 km 1150 mpm.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	aneeskathrada	R6,000	Current bid: R7,000
25th August 2026 14:50	LOT 30 SAIPR WINTER OLR – Gys Louw 1-TPA 7198 2025##### -Halfsister Lara’ Pigeon Palace Grizzle Halfsister ‘Lara’ record breaking machine at Afrika Pro ’25. Blue Jacket Ace pigeon overall. Brown Jacket long distance Ace. 3rd Final race. Lara was sold for 112 000 euro’s.—————–SIRE:GB-23-75451 C ‘Grizzle Prince’ Derek Walsh Grizzle Super inbred to worldfamous breeders Di Caprio ace racer 3 x winner, father to Olympiad pigeon ‘Olympic Niels’ Olympiad pigeon Belgium Cat A Co-winner Gouden duif trophy. Ace MD Superfond Ace union Antwerp 2 x 1st Provincial Champion 2012 Kannibaal National Ace KBDB MD and foundation breeder for many fanciers around the world. Responsible for the most Sprint/Middle distance KBDB National Ace titles.—————-DAM:PWDU-20-2638 H ‘Mienke sister’ Pigeon Palace BB Her sister ‘Mienke’ was an outstanding performer at Dinokeng OLR. Mother to ‘Lara’ phenomenal record breaking racing machine at Afrika Pro 2025. 1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket) 3rd final race 601 km 1150 mpm.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	annetjie	R6,500	Current bid: R7,000
25th August 2026 14:49	LOT 40 SAIPR WINTER OLR – DINOKENG OLR-ZA CRUD 3041 2025 -2ND FINAL EQUAL WINNER (WINNING R250 000.00) , 5TH HOTSPOT 1 EQUAL WINNER————–SIRE:734 J&B 24.Du Preez&Deetlefs 1ST CLUB – 1ST UNION 2ND CLUB – 2ND UNION (DUAL WINNER) 2ND CLUB – 2ND UNION 3RD CLUB – 3RD UNION (DUAL WINNER). SIRE WERE SOLD FOR R36 000.00. DAM IS DAUGHTER TO 8 X SANPO MEDAL WINNER “TURBO KITTEL AND WERE SOLD FOR R132,000.00 ON TOPPIGEON.———–DAM: 3108104 BE 24. DU PREEZ & DEETLEFS. HER GRANDSIRE IS FULL BROTHER TO 8 X SANPO MEDAL WINNER “TURBO KITTEL”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	annetjie	R10,000	Current bid: R10,000

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