.LOT 8 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2007 -The sire of ZA 24 OERLE 2007 is 3 x linebred to ” Melts Best Kittel ” one of the very best sons of the world famous ” Best Kittel ” . Melts Best Kittel was hand selected at PIPA Elite Centre . Dam to 2007 is a high quality granddaughter to our foundation cock 1280 ” Die Bont Cock ” .This youngster is a real cracker jack cock . Great cock .SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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15th October 2026 17:06	LOT 17 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Dewald Linde Team1-ZA-2025-NRHU-4659 -SIRE: BE 23 6100603 – “PRINCE POKERFACE” Chequer cock – Bart Geerinckx. Son of BE 20 4158373 “Little Nadine” and DV 18 01549619 “Enkelin 26”, both recorded as parents of 618/22, 4th Final Pattaya International against 5,805 pigeons. “Little Nadine” is bred from “Little Prince 402”, a son of Prince Porsche × Little Star, and “Princess Nadine 466”, mother of “Klaas Johannes,” 7th National Ace KBDB Long Distance Yearlings 2021 and 1st National Souillac against 4,571 pigeons. “Enkelin 26,” from SG Vollmer & Vorspohl, combines “Sohn Pokerface” × “Die 230.”—————DAM: NRHU 20 0695 Blue Bar White Flight hen – granddaughter of Best Kittel. Her racing results include 23rd WCPTA Laingsburg against 4,344 pigeons, 40th WCPTA Beaufort West against 4,168 pigeons, 8th WCPTA Hanover 3-Bird 2022 against 616 pigeons, and 4th WCPTA Hanover 3-Bird 2023 against 482 pigeons. Daughter of BE 19 4130242 “Son BK 242”, a direct son of Best Kittel, paired to BE 18 4202477 “Daughter BK 477”, from Best Kittel × Blue Wonder Mother. “Son BK 242” is a proven breeder for JJM Lofts, producing numerous top-100 WCPTA positions and 1442/21, 8th Blue Jacket AfrikaPro 2022, with 24th in the Final.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	apache	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 17:04	ZZ..LOT 167 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Georgie Koutsoudis-ZA-2025-NRHU-4848 –	apache	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
15th October 2026 16:58	ZZ..LOT 137 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Klerksdorp Racers-ZA-2025-NRHU-4761 –	apache	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 16:15	ZZ..LOT 105 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Vorsatz & Son-ZA-2025-FB-12850 -2ND FINAL EQUAL WINNER WINNING R160 000.00——-SIRE:3544. WCC 20 Young Thanos Father To: 2nd SAIRR Final, 5th FBHU Truck. Father to many good racers.————-DAM:5263 GPU 19 Gys Louw Hen Carefully Collection. Bred 2nd SAPRR winner. Bred my very best racers the past 2 years.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	batman	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 16:07	LOT 65 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Cheetah Lofts-ZA-2025-NRHU-4126 -HOTSPOT 2 WINNER	batman	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 15:30	LOT 29 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Loft Einkamerer Team1-ZA-2025-EIN-229 -SAME BRED AS SAIPR HOTSPOT ACE PIGEON KRUGERSDORP——–SIRE: ZA 20 SRSP 707 “GRAPEFRUIT”. THIS IS A DIRECT CHILD TO “BLACK LONER”.——–DAM:959 SRSP 20. EINKAMERER. THIS IS A DIRECT CHILD TO SUPERBREEDER “PIZZARO”.SEE PEDIGREE!!	franx	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 15:27	LOT 58 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Exclusive Pigeon Paradise-ZA-2025-JKL-21 -SIRE: ZA JKL 24 1161 – “EPP ATLANTIS” Proven AfrikaPro OLR 2025 performer, achieving 4th Final over 601 km at 1,144 m/min, 8th Blue Jacket and 8th Brown Jacket. Also recorded 37th against 2,550 pigeons over 280 km, an equal winner. A son of “Bird of Prey” ZA PWDU 20 3391, from De Beers Duiwe breeding, and “Atlast” ZA OERF 16 08115, a three-time winner. Atlast also bred Abigail, who achieved 4th Hotspot 2 and 24th Hotspot 4 at Karoo Million 2024, both as an equal winner. His pedigree combines Janssen, Tom Lock/Johnny Boy, Geert Munnik and Supaablock breeding.—————–DAM: ZA JKL 24 1147 – “EPP ELLIE” Outstanding Marlbanks OLR 2025 performer, winning 1st Semi-Final by over 10 minutes, followed by 2nd Final and 3rd Ace Bird Overall. The pedigree also records that she won the combine on the semi-final weekend against approximately 8,000 pigeons. Bred from ZA ABL 24 1456, an inbred Kittel cock carrying Dirk Van Den Bulck genetics, paired to “Golden Cloud” ZA VPU 23 8159, a Carelly Super Aces hen linebred to four different ace pigeons. Her sire’s pedigree features “Kittel × Kittel 1008” and NL 19 1418637, recorded as the granddam of “Turbo Kittel”, Best World Allround Pigeon 2021 and six-time SANPO Gold Medal winner. Golden Cloud bred EPP Ellie in her first breeding season.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	lambie-lofts	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
15th October 2026 15:27	LOT 58 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Exclusive Pigeon Paradise-ZA-2025-JKL-21 -SIRE: ZA JKL 24 1161 – “EPP ATLANTIS” Proven AfrikaPro OLR 2025 performer, achieving 4th Final over 601 km at 1,144 m/min, 8th Blue Jacket and 8th Brown Jacket. Also recorded 37th against 2,550 pigeons over 280 km, an equal winner. A son of “Bird of Prey” ZA PWDU 20 3391, from De Beers Duiwe breeding, and “Atlast” ZA OERF 16 08115, a three-time winner. Atlast also bred Abigail, who achieved 4th Hotspot 2 and 24th Hotspot 4 at Karoo Million 2024, both as an equal winner. His pedigree combines Janssen, Tom Lock/Johnny Boy, Geert Munnik and Supaablock breeding.—————–DAM: ZA JKL 24 1147 – “EPP ELLIE” Outstanding Marlbanks OLR 2025 performer, winning 1st Semi-Final by over 10 minutes, followed by 2nd Final and 3rd Ace Bird Overall. The pedigree also records that she won the combine on the semi-final weekend against approximately 8,000 pigeons. Bred from ZA ABL 24 1456, an inbred Kittel cock carrying Dirk Van Den Bulck genetics, paired to “Golden Cloud” ZA VPU 23 8159, a Carelly Super Aces hen linebred to four different ace pigeons. Her sire’s pedigree features “Kittel × Kittel 1008” and NL 19 1418637, recorded as the granddam of “Turbo Kittel”, Best World Allround Pigeon 2021 and six-time SANPO Gold Medal winner. Golden Cloud bred EPP Ellie in her first breeding season.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	annetjie	R2,000	Current bid: R2,500
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R6,500	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	toppigeon	R7,000	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R5,500	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	toppigeon	R6,000	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R4,500	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	toppigeon	R5,000	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	toppigeon	R4,000	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 15:02	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R3,500	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 14:27	ZZ..LOT 109 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Len Knoetze Team2-ZA-2025-NRHU-4759 -SIRE: ZA 21 10002 – RED A proven racer and breeder combining Best Kittel and Stefaan Lambrechts genetics. His results include 19th Union and 23rd WCPTA Leeu-Gamka against 4,179 pigeons, plus 35th Union and 60th WCPTA Hanover against 3,837 pigeons. He also bred a 5th Union Hanover performer.—————DAM: NRHU 21 1445 A two-time winner with results including 1st Club, 5th NRHU and 8th WCPTA Laingsburg against 3,779 pigeons; and 1st Club, 5th NRHU and 6th WCPTA Richmond against 3,072 pigeons. She also achieved 10th Club, 31st NRHU and 57th WCPTA Richmond against 2,962 pigeons.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	mark-vos	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 14:22	ZZ..LOT 106 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Wyngaardt Family Lofts-ZA-2025-NRHU-1706 -7TH HOTSPOT 3 EQUAL WINNER , 8TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA————-SIRE:2432 NRHU 20.Strain: Carelsen/Dicky39/QdeJager Color: Pencil Sire of 1705 NRHU 25 – 2nd Grand-Average Ace Bird SAIPR Cape Town Winter series. Winner of R24500. Sire of 1706/25 – 7th SAIPR Cape Town Hotspot 3 and winner of R4500. Sire of 0873 NRHU 24 (triple club winner, double Fed winner) – 1st Fed, 1st Union 2nd WCPTA Richmond 2024; Sire of 6061 NRHU 22 – 1st Fed 1st Union 3rd WCPTA and winner of Brackenfell sale race R15000 Richmond 2023.—————DAM:1914 NRHU 22.Strain: Clausing, De Rauw Sablon Color: Blue Bar ex Ruan Fouche. Inbred to the Pretoria Cock. Her Dam, 823/19 was 1st Ace club, 1st Ace Fed, 2nd Ace NRHU, 2nd Ace WCPTA, 2nd Ace WCPTA short. Her Sire is the best in Ruan’s loft. Dam of 0873 NRHU 24 (triple club winner, double Fed winner) – 1st Fed, 1st Union 2nd WCPTA Richmond 2024; Dam to 1705/25 – SAIPR Cape Town entry Dam to 1263/23 – 1st Club, 2nd Fed, 14th NRHU Gariep (750km, 1488 vel).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	ferrierbros	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
15th October 2026 13:03	LOT 91 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Heerden Lofts Team1-ZA-2026-BW-1728 -8TH HOTSPOT 4 EQUAL WINNER , 9TH FINAL RACE EQUAL WINNER , 6TH CROSS KAROO BARCELONA———–SIRE: 01321 BWES 22 “SWARTVLERK” A mealy Heerden cock with performances including 1st Hopetown Open as a youngster, 1st Klerksdorp R50,000 Race, 2nd Kimberley, 5th and 6th Warrenton, and 15th Modderrivier. He is a son of 2306 CAO 20 “Carnarvon”, a blue bar from Hannes Olivier, noted for a top-10 Wildsfees performance and offspring that race well. His dam, 214 OBU/D 20 “Vaal Hen”, won R100,000 with 1st place in the Victoria West Wildsfees young-bird race. She was bred by Makka Swart of Oudtshoorn from his black pigeons. Her daughter 1003 also recorded two wins as a youngster in SKDU.————–DAM: ZA 22 VPU 9642 A blue bar Carelly hen combining 3 × Carelly and 2 × 810/8855 breeding. The pedigree describes her as closely related to the 2023 SAIPR and Dinokeng Final winners, and almost identically bred to ZA VPU 9791/22 “The Magician”, the 2023 SAIPR Colesberg Final winner over 575 km by 11 minutes 45 seconds and 9th Ace Pigeon.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	toppigeon	R2,000	Current bid: R7,000
15th October 2026 12:25	LOT 77 SAIPR CAPETOWN-Olive Lofts-ZA-2025-FB-12678 -10TH HOTSPOT 3 EQUAL WINNER————-SIRE:146 ZA 22 “ZACK”. Dinokeng OLR 2023: 4th (Equal 1st) on Race 2_350km. 24th Main Race 724km *11th Ace Pigeon 2023 Dinokeng OLR.SIRE IS A FULL BROTHER TO FIVE STAR GREEN JACKET WINNER AFRIKAPRO 2023 WINNING $50 000.00 .———–DAM:1634 BDUD 22 BLUE SAPPHIRE BB Olive Lofts & Lubomir Kubacek 21st 430km at AfrikaPro 2023 , 34th 383km at AfrikaPro 2023 , 4th 300km at AfrikaPro 2023 , Race 11- 1st Ace AfrikaPro2023 , Race 13 – 3rd Ace AfrikaPro 2023.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	driesb	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000

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LOT 11 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2016 – Linebred to Kittel . Fantastic handler medium in size . Dam is sister to super racer Stingray . One of the great features of ZA 24 OERLE 2016 is his superb muscles typical to the Kittel pigeons . Will make a classy stock cock .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!

.LOT 6 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2024 – This pairing is one of my favourites . Halfbrother x halfsister back to my nr 1 Kittel / Blou Bul hen 399 dam to Stingray . These are 2 standout pigeons and their children will surely produce champions . Highly recommended .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!