.LOT 6 KITTEL / BEST KITTEL – ZA 24 LVR 188 -SIRE:1182 ZA 23 ABL. DIRK VAN DEN BULCK. SAME BRED SOLD FOR R25 000.00 ON TOPPIGEON.————DAM: 438 ZA 21 ABL . THIS HEN IS BRED FROM A SUPER ROODHOOFT COCK MATED TO A SUPER KITTEL HEN.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

Name: .LOT 6 KITTEL / BEST KITTEL - ZA 24 LVR 188 -SIRE:1182 ZA 23 ABL. DIRK VAN DEN BULCK. SAME BRED SOLD FOR R25 000.00 ON TOPPIGEON.------------DAM: 438 ZA 21 ABL . THIS HEN IS BRED FROM A SUPER ROODHOOFT COCK MATED TO A SUPER KITTEL HEN.SEE PEDIGREE!!!
SKU: 42669
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R5,000

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - KITTEL / BEST KITTEL AUCTION - FROM 18 JUNE TO SUNDAY 23 JUNE 2024 (ENDS FROM 13:20)

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Auction has finished

Highest bidder was: RJD LOFTS

Date	Bid	User	Auto
22nd June 2024 7:59	R5,000	RJD LOFTS
18th June 2024 15:15	Auction started

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Date	Auction	Username	Bid	Status
2nd July 2025 21:36	.LOT 2 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 3108676 BBAR PIED HEN -SAME BRED SOLD FOR R79 000.00 ON TOPPIGEON——-INBRED BLIZZARD – INBRED OLYMPIC ROSITA – KITTEL -DOUBLE BLIZZARD————-SIRE:B 22-4207828 M GRIZZLE BLIZZARD 828 Flanders Collection Grizzle…DIRECT SON TO LEGENDARY BLIZZARD KING KITTEL. SAME MOTHER BRED: 1. PRIZE 3.757 BIRDS. 3. PRIZ. 17.711 BIRDS. 3. PRIZE 545 BIRDS. 7. PRIZE 813 BIRDS. 7. PRIZE 385 BIRDS. 25.PRIZE 881 BIRDS. 32.PRIZE 1.904. 37.PRIZE 347 BIRDS. 40.PRIZE 9.452 BIRDS—————–DAM:B 22-4207843 V GRIZZLE BLIZZARD 843. Flanders Collection. Grizzle .DIRECT FROM BLIZZARD. SAME MOTHER BRED: – WITTE KITTEL 1. PRIZE 1.042 BIRDs. 6. PRIZE 1.745 BIRDS. 6. PRIZE 1.008 BIRDS. 8. PRIZE 1.587 BIRDS. 23. PRIZE 1.258 BIRDS. 54.PRIZE 2.144 BIRDS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	karenbeneke3gmail-com	R25,000	Current bid: R25,000
2nd July 2025 21:36	.LOT 1 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 4167099 GRIZZLE HEN -SIRE:BE 22 4207865 . BLIZZARD X ROSITA. FLANDERS COLLECTION. THIS IS A DIRECT SON TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”. THIS IS ALSO A DIRECT GRANDSON TO “LEGENDARY “KITTEL”—————-DAM:BE 19 4213915 . TOP DAUGHTER KITTEL. VAN DEN BULCK. DNA CERTIFIED. THIS HEN IS BRED DIRECTLY OUT OF LEGENDARY “KITTEL” MATED TO HIS OWN GRAND DAUGHTER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	karenbeneke3gmail-com	R32,000	Current bid: R33,000
2nd July 2025 21:36	.LOT 1 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 4167099 GRIZZLE HEN -SIRE:BE 22 4207865 . BLIZZARD X ROSITA. FLANDERS COLLECTION. THIS IS A DIRECT SON TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”. THIS IS ALSO A DIRECT GRANDSON TO “LEGENDARY “KITTEL”—————-DAM:BE 19 4213915 . TOP DAUGHTER KITTEL. VAN DEN BULCK. DNA CERTIFIED. THIS HEN IS BRED DIRECTLY OUT OF LEGENDARY “KITTEL” MATED TO HIS OWN GRAND DAUGHTER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	benardjvr	R33,000	Current bid: R33,000
2nd July 2025 21:36	.LOT 1 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 4167099 GRIZZLE HEN -SIRE:BE 22 4207865 . BLIZZARD X ROSITA. FLANDERS COLLECTION. THIS IS A DIRECT SON TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”. THIS IS ALSO A DIRECT GRANDSON TO “LEGENDARY “KITTEL”—————-DAM:BE 19 4213915 . TOP DAUGHTER KITTEL. VAN DEN BULCK. DNA CERTIFIED. THIS HEN IS BRED DIRECTLY OUT OF LEGENDARY “KITTEL” MATED TO HIS OWN GRAND DAUGHTER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	benardjvr	R30,000	Current bid: R33,000
2nd July 2025 21:36	.LOT 1 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 4167099 GRIZZLE HEN -SIRE:BE 22 4207865 . BLIZZARD X ROSITA. FLANDERS COLLECTION. THIS IS A DIRECT SON TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”. THIS IS ALSO A DIRECT GRANDSON TO “LEGENDARY “KITTEL”—————-DAM:BE 19 4213915 . TOP DAUGHTER KITTEL. VAN DEN BULCK. DNA CERTIFIED. THIS HEN IS BRED DIRECTLY OUT OF LEGENDARY “KITTEL” MATED TO HIS OWN GRAND DAUGHTER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	karenbeneke3gmail-com	R29,000	Current bid: R33,000
2nd July 2025 21:07	.LOT 1 BLIZZARD KING KITTEL – BE 24 4167099 GRIZZLE HEN -SIRE:BE 22 4207865 . BLIZZARD X ROSITA. FLANDERS COLLECTION. THIS IS A DIRECT SON TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”. THIS IS ALSO A DIRECT GRANDSON TO “LEGENDARY “KITTEL”—————-DAM:BE 19 4213915 . TOP DAUGHTER KITTEL. VAN DEN BULCK. DNA CERTIFIED. THIS HEN IS BRED DIRECTLY OUT OF LEGENDARY “KITTEL” MATED TO HIS OWN GRAND DAUGHTER.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	benardjvr	R26,000	Current bid: R33,000
2nd July 2025 20:49	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R12,500	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:48	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R12,000	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:46	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R11,500	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:46	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R11,000	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:43	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R10,500	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:42	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R10,000	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:41	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R9,500	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:40	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R9,000	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:40	LOT 21 SUPER WEDNESDAY –3816 ZA 24 TRPF -SIRE:ZA-2018-TRPF-10381 Mc Dermott Lofts Checkered • 55th Club, 82nd Fed Ventersburg Sprint. • 16th Club, 31st Fed Winburg 2 Sprint. • 53rd Club, 83rd Fed Bloemfontein Sprint. • 15th Club, 20th Fed Jamestown. • 21st Club 85th Fed Cradock 3. Son to the “Kill Cock” • 2nd Ace in the Mighty TRPF 2016. ==============DAM:ZA-2018-TRPF-8008 Mc Dermott Lofts Blue white flights Strain: Van Elsacker Silvano Flor Engels She flew like a machine in the GRPF. • 2nd Ace Bird in the GRPF. • 1st Club, 8th Fed Springfontein. • 2nd Club, 10th Fed Winburg. • 2nd Club, 30th Fed Tierpoort. • 2nd Club, 4th Fed Jamestown. • 3rd Club, 20th Fed Trompsburg..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	toppigeon	R4,500	Winning Bid: R4,500
2nd July 2025 20:39	LOT 21 SUPER WEDNESDAY –3816 ZA 24 TRPF -SIRE:ZA-2018-TRPF-10381 Mc Dermott Lofts Checkered • 55th Club, 82nd Fed Ventersburg Sprint. • 16th Club, 31st Fed Winburg 2 Sprint. • 53rd Club, 83rd Fed Bloemfontein Sprint. • 15th Club, 20th Fed Jamestown. • 21st Club 85th Fed Cradock 3. Son to the “Kill Cock” • 2nd Ace in the Mighty TRPF 2016. ==============DAM:ZA-2018-TRPF-8008 Mc Dermott Lofts Blue white flights Strain: Van Elsacker Silvano Flor Engels She flew like a machine in the GRPF. • 2nd Ace Bird in the GRPF. • 1st Club, 8th Fed Springfontein. • 2nd Club, 10th Fed Winburg. • 2nd Club, 30th Fed Tierpoort. • 2nd Club, 4th Fed Jamestown. • 3rd Club, 20th Fed Trompsburg..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R4,000	Winning Bid: R4,500
2nd July 2025 20:37	LOT 21 SUPER WEDNESDAY –3816 ZA 24 TRPF -SIRE:ZA-2018-TRPF-10381 Mc Dermott Lofts Checkered • 55th Club, 82nd Fed Ventersburg Sprint. • 16th Club, 31st Fed Winburg 2 Sprint. • 53rd Club, 83rd Fed Bloemfontein Sprint. • 15th Club, 20th Fed Jamestown. • 21st Club 85th Fed Cradock 3. Son to the “Kill Cock” • 2nd Ace in the Mighty TRPF 2016. ==============DAM:ZA-2018-TRPF-8008 Mc Dermott Lofts Blue white flights Strain: Van Elsacker Silvano Flor Engels She flew like a machine in the GRPF. • 2nd Ace Bird in the GRPF. • 1st Club, 8th Fed Springfontein. • 2nd Club, 10th Fed Winburg. • 2nd Club, 30th Fed Tierpoort. • 2nd Club, 4th Fed Jamestown. • 3rd Club, 20th Fed Trompsburg..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	toppigeon	R3,500	Winning Bid: R4,500
2nd July 2025 20:36	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R8,500	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:36	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	daniels-loft	R8,000	Winning Bid: R12,500
2nd July 2025 20:34	LOT 15 SUPER WEDNESDAY –ZA 25 MOUN 35 -SIRE:ZA 20 VIL 2412 . MOUNTAIN LOFTS. DIRECT CHILD TO Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE CHECK ”MASTER PIECE” ZA13 03402 SIRE OF 15 WINNERS JOINTLY WINNING 20 RACES GRANDSIRE ZA17 24542 GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER FROM JAMESTOWM 621KM 5000+ PIGEONS ( 4 X WINNER). GRANDSIRE ZA18 MOUN 806.———DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 589.Alias “NEW ENERGY” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK ”NEW ENEGY” ZA22 MOUN 589 FULL SISTER TO “QUTAR HORSE” ZA21 MOUN 057 SOLD ON PIPA FOR 9300 EURO 5TH FINAL AFRIKA PRO 2022 1ST RACE 8 – 1282MPM 480KM FULL SISTER QATAR 22 808 6TH ACE AFRIKAPRRO 2023 “QATAR HORSE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R7,500	Winning Bid: R12,500

.LOT 6 KITTEL / BEST KITTEL – ZA 24 LVR 188 -SIRE:1182 ZA 23 ABL. DIRK VAN DEN BULCK. SAME BRED SOLD FOR R25 000.00 ON TOPPIGEON.————DAM: 438 ZA 21 ABL . THIS HEN IS BRED FROM A SUPER ROODHOOFT COCK MATED TO A SUPER KITTEL HEN.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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.LOT 5 KITTEL / BEST KITTEL – ZA 24 LVR 191 -SIRE: 785 ZA 20 RADR. KITTEL. THIS IS A GRANDSON OF DOUBLE ROSITA AND DOUBLE KITTEL.—-DAM: 1177 ZA 23 ABL. KITTEL. THIS IS A DOUBLE GRANDCHILD TO THE OLYPIC PAIR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!