.LOT 1 R500 BARGAIN BOX – TEAM WILNIC – ZA 23 BENZ 3649 -SIRE:15761 19 ZAGPU. Strain: Schmidt/Bouwer Color: Blue Bar Ex Mark Kitchenbrandt – bought from T oppigeon.co.za. For stock purposes as 6466 “T HE WHIT E FLIGHT COCK” appears also in the pedigree of some of my performing stock pigeons.———–DAM: 23461 18 ZAPWF. Strain: T wilight/Powell/Janssen Color: Blue Bar BREEDER OF WINNERS AND UNION WINNER! 2019 – Dewetsdorp Club 6/322, Union 82/1524, Combine 116/2184. Dewetsdorp Club 31/340. 2020 – Verkeerdevlei Club 2/253, Union 2/1601 – 2ND Gauteng Combine!! Bloemfontein Club 23/227, Union 194/1549. Trompsburg Club 3/199.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

SKU: 50165
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R750

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - R500 BARGAIN BOX - FROM 25 NOVEMBER TO THURSDAY 28 NOVEMBER 2024 (ENDS FROM 20:00)

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Highest bidder was: heinrich

Date	Bid	User
27th November 2024 19:04	R750	heinrich
26th November 2024 8:24	R500	MARCUS11
25th November 2024 20:53	Auction started

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18th January 2026 8:47	LOT 22 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 25 TPA 7363 -Mealy Grizzle Her dam is a full sister to the sire of ‘Palace Prince’ that bred to ‘Lara’ & Fiero’outstanding performers at Afrika. Pro !————-SIRE:VPU-18-6734 C ‘Andries Grizzle’ Pigeon Palace. Union winner 800 km plus long distance on the day of liberation for Andries Fivaz. Top breeder bred from a click pair of the old lines of Gys Louw Aelbrecht x Bosua/Bricoux. Sire to SANPO Gold medal winner allround 2022 ‘Zarina’. She is a 3 x union winner and one of the best hens in the Republic ! Super pigeon and surely one of the best Grizzle cocks in South Africa. Sire to many winners on union level.————DAM:TPA-25-7121 H ’95/DD’ Pigeon Palace Mealy Pied Bred from the best. Kittel pair in South Africa Full sister to the sire of ‘Palace Prince’. who is father to ‘Lara’ & ‘Fiero’ outstanding performers at Afrika Pro.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	straussd	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
18th January 2026 8:41	LOT 28 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 23 BENZ 3661 -SIRE:ZA-2014-02657 “OU MAN” Turbo Tom/Powell Blue On my return to the sport in 2017 he became my foundation cock. Comes from a long line of Union winners. When paired with 23948 of Charl Stander they bred me 0614 and 0615 that were my best stock pigeons for many years – both breeding several winners. Bred from Lot 18 and 60 at my 2015 sale. Together they bred a double winner 03320 for Wally Waldeck who in turn bred a triple winner 02864.————-DAM:ZA-2016-PWFD-2016 Christians Dark checkered BREEDER OF WINNERS!! Flew 3d Cradock for Nico van Rensburg as a yearling in 2017, then immediately taken to stock. She bred a COGG winner 3228 that won the opening race of 2025 in the YB series and 5310 that won with a break of more than 2 minutes in 2025 from Reddersburg.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johan16	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th January 2026 8:39	LOT 23 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 21 ZWDK 2997 -SIRE:ZA-2014-PWFD-1366 “1366” Verbruggen/Sierens Blue DOUBLE WINNER AND BREEDER OF WINNER! From Nardus Volschenk. 1366 was the best 2YO in the PWF in 2016 and was a double winner – also flew 2, 3, 3, 6 in 2017 – a great racer. For me 1366 later bred 2997 that won Springfontein 546km.————DAM:ZA-2017-PWF-10273 Catrysse Blue BREEDER OF SEVERAL WINNERS!! Highly inbred back to THE CHAMP, a Catrysse cock from the renowned Toppie Jansen from Boksburg – THE CHAMP was a winner for Uncle Toppie, but became more known for the winners that he and his progeny produced for several other fanciers like Ian McKay, Nico van Rensburg, Robert van Vuuren, Nardus Volschenk and others. 10273 bred, amongst other 2997 that won the Club from Springfontein – beaten on the decimal by Mountain Lofts to achieve 2nd PWDU etc.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johan16	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th January 2026 8:36	.LOT 9 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 23 BENZ 5322 -SIRE:ZA-2022-ZWDK-0341 “INBRED GROOTMAN” Verbruggen/Schmidt & Bouwer Bont Bred specifically for stock from a son to mother pairing. The son ZWDK 2469 ’21 became three times winner – this includes a Union with a break of more than two minutes – 2469 flew top 10 in the Club on 11 occasions. He was also crowned with the SANPO Gold Medal Middle Distance (+2000 pigeons) in 2023. He was then paired to his own mother 8909 THE SCHMIDT & BOUWER hen – she is Team Wilnic’s best stock hen with a country mile, having bred 9 individual winners who won 12 races between them.————DAM:ZA-2023-95158 Inbred father to his own daughter to solidify the genetics of 1617, one of our base breeding cocks.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johan16	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th January 2026 8:35	.LOT 8 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 22 ZWDK 1254 -SIRE:ZA-2021-ZWDK-84 “84” Catrysse/Verbruggen Blue Bred for stock by Nico van Rensburg. Bred us a Sprint winner 5049 in 2025.—————DAM:ZA-2017-PWFD-4216 Catrysse/Geerincks/Steveninck Blue BREEDER OF WINNERS! This hen is currently one of my favourite stock hens and has bred winners. One of her children was PRETORIA REBELS best pigeon in the Green Jacket series at Afrikapro in 2025. She raced very well herself scoring 2nd Club Cradock 5th PWF, 3d Club Winburg 30th PWDU etc. She has bred winners with different cocks!SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johan16	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th January 2026 8:08	LOT 24 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 TRPF 5682 -SIRE:ZA-2021-GPU-12863 Mc Dermott Lofts Kittel Bont Super Kittel Genetics! “Jardin” Daughter “Greipel” “Konica” Brother “Olympic-Rosita” “Son Vince” Inbred to “Kittel” “Double Rosita” “Dubbele Kittel” =============DAM:ZA-2024-OP-9311 Mc Dermott Lofts.Her father is a full brother “Turbo Kittel” • 1e Ace Pigeon FCI in the World!!!! • 5x Winner in his first year. • 1e Ace Bird Overall South Africa.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	outafric	R4,000	Current bid: R4,000
18th January 2026 7:55	LOT 10 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 19 OOA 180 ——Top breeder son ‘Golden Carelly’. With 1/2 sis ‘Golden TT’ they bred 9011 (5 x win) GRPF.’CT Ace Willem de Bruin hen babies flew fantastic in CT OLR ‘Dash to finish’ 2nd ace and 2nd final race 1118,7 mpm 450 km in the heat. His best mating is with ‘Derby hen’ 4344/19. Both babies amongst Ace pigeons at Dinokeng lofts another 4th final SAIPR ’24.——-SIRE:BELG 4018079/09, “GOLDEN CARELLY”. Sire to 21 wins thus far. Grandsire to 35 PLUS KNOWN wins. The GOLDEN CARELLY progeny has to date bred 14 known & different top 10 Ace Pigeons. His full brother, BELG 4253786/10 is ggsire to KT 119818 17 4TH SCMDPR FINAL 2018 The GOLDEN CARELLY SUPERPAIR – ( GOLDEN CARELLY BAK 17 MISS JOICE X ZA THU 08816/09 DAUGHTER TO R80 000 TOM LOCK SUPERPAIR) progeny has to date bred 14 known & different top 10 Ace Pigeons.————-DAM:11 BELG 6171545.Alias “BEAUTY BLUE” Strain: M. Aelbrecht/De Rauw Sabl Color: Bluebar Dam to ZA CYRILS 4541/14- Sire to o.a. ZA PWFD 10847/18″ SMOOTH SAILING” 1st Dinokeng Final Race Gariep Dam, 623km, vel 1485 2019 season. 1st Ace Pigeon 2019 – All Hot Spots and Final Race 1st Ace Pigeon Grand Averages including all tosses,races & Final 2019 season. Bred and entered by Daniel Troskie.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	outafric	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
17th January 2026 23:48	.LOT 8 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 25 NDK 1293 “TURKISH DELIGHT” – Painter Indigo Bar Directly out of The famous “STRAWDI” is a 3 X Combine Winner & Sales Race Winner. She won 2 X 1st Combine in the space 7 days from 589km & 654km vs more than 1200 pigeons on each occasion. Bred from a proven pair. Father is bred by Ahmet Cavdar from Turkey. He is widely respected as owning one of the best collections of modern performance pigeons. He is bred out of a son of the worldfamous “ORNAT” when mated to a daughter of the equally famous “OLYMPIC GAUSTAVE” – fresh super performance genetics!SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	rau	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
17th January 2026 22:34	LOT 20 GLOBAL AUCTION – NL 19 1417188 -SIRE: NLD 13 1863212.BURNING RED Sangers-Koopman.Son to the topper Fast As Lightning. DIRECT SON TO FAST AS LIGHTNING Sangers-Koopman.———-DAM:NLD 12 1296610 “BRITT”.Mother SABRINA 1.Morlinc. 339 $19 =4.prov. 23392 ’19 51 Quievrain 2120 ’18 6.Bierges 7193 19 6. Quievrain 5903 19 8. Quievrain 4624 ’18.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	driesb	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
17th January 2026 21:46	LOT 17 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 GPU 8281 -SIRE:ZA-2021-GPU-12863 Mc Dermott Lofts Kittel Bont Super Kittel Genetics! “Jardin” Daughter “Greipel” “Konica” Brother “Olympic-Rosita” “Son Vince” Inbred to “Kittel” “Double Rosita” “Dubbele Kittel” =============DAM:ZA-2024-OP-9311 Mc Dermott Lofts.Her father is a full brother “Turbo Kittel” • 1e Ace Pigeon FCI in the World!!!! • 5x Winner in his first year. • 1e Ace Bird Overall South Africa.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	merwe	R3,500	Current bid: R3,500
17th January 2026 21:45	LOT 24 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 TRPF 5682 -SIRE:ZA-2021-GPU-12863 Mc Dermott Lofts Kittel Bont Super Kittel Genetics! “Jardin” Daughter “Greipel” “Konica” Brother “Olympic-Rosita” “Son Vince” Inbred to “Kittel” “Double Rosita” “Dubbele Kittel” =============DAM:ZA-2024-OP-9311 Mc Dermott Lofts.Her father is a full brother “Turbo Kittel” • 1e Ace Pigeon FCI in the World!!!! • 5x Winner in his first year. • 1e Ace Bird Overall South Africa.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	merwe	R3,500	Current bid: R4,000
17th January 2026 21:44	LOT 26 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 TRPF 5683 -SIRE:ZA-2021-GPU-12863 Mc Dermott Lofts Kittel Bont Super Kittel Genetics! “Jardin” Daughter “Greipel” “Konica” Brother “Olympic-Rosita” “Son Vince” Inbred to “Kittel” “Double Rosita” “Dubbele Kittel” =============DAM:ZA-2024-OP-9311 Mc Dermott Lofts.Her father is a full brother “Turbo Kittel” • 1e Ace Pigeon FCI in the World!!!! • 5x Winner in his first year. • 1e Ace Bird Overall South Africa.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	merwe	R3,500	Current bid: R4,000
17th January 2026 21:44	LOT 26 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 TRPF 5683 -SIRE:ZA-2021-GPU-12863 Mc Dermott Lofts Kittel Bont Super Kittel Genetics! “Jardin” Daughter “Greipel” “Konica” Brother “Olympic-Rosita” “Son Vince” Inbred to “Kittel” “Double Rosita” “Dubbele Kittel” =============DAM:ZA-2024-OP-9311 Mc Dermott Lofts.Her father is a full brother “Turbo Kittel” • 1e Ace Pigeon FCI in the World!!!! • 5x Winner in his first year. • 1e Ace Bird Overall South Africa.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	yoken	R4,000	Current bid: R4,000
17th January 2026 21:41	.LOT 5 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 25 KPUD 1361 “TURBOPOSE” – Ch If the new owner chooses to race this baby the chances are excellent that he will be a great racer. All the characteristics we look for in our babies destined for our team is present in this baby. Bred out of an inbred son of “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” when mated to her own son “SKAAM COCK” – this is a halfbrother of “DUAL PURPOSE” the father of the Afrikapro Winner. The mother is “TURBO SPEED” a double Union Winner and granddaughter of the famous “GOLDEN TT”. This hen has bred us some great racers and her one daughter won the LPU Union last year for Lionel Visser.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	merwe	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
17th January 2026 21:01	.LOT 2 SURPRISE AUCTION – ZA 25 TRPF 5755 -SIRE:ZA-2023-GPU-4746 TNT Elite Centre Best Kittel Mealy A superbly bred pigeon with genetics acquired from two top lofts in SA – JJJ Lofts and Aces Lofts. Sire “Enzo” purchased for R53 000.00 at the Saipr Auction. His sire is a direct son of the World-famous “Best Kittel” His dam is the 7e Nat. Ace for Stefaan Lambrechts. “Best Kittel” is also her sire, and her dam is a direct daughter of “Best Kittel” ===============DAM:ZA-2018-TRPF-22097 Mc Dermott Lofts.Inbred to “Double Ring” – Hermans Clausing. He bred 3x Fed winners and a few 2e Fed positions with different hens. He is responsible for over 20 winners and multiple Top 10 score’s. He is considered one of our base breeders.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	zanshin	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
17th January 2026 17:54	LOT 26 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 20 GRPF 9011 -Superb racing machine 5 x winner. Very good stock cock. Bred from best son of ‘Golden Carelly’x halfsister to ‘Golden TT’. Related to numerous champion birds & SANPO Gold medal winners.————-SIRE:ZA-19-180 C ‘180 Aelbrecht’ Aelbrecht.Top breeder son ‘Golden Carelly’. With 1/2 sis ‘Golden TT’ they bred 9011 (5 x win) GRPF.’CT Ace Willem de Bruin hen babies flew fantastic in CT OLR ‘Dash to finish’ 2nd ace and 2nd final race 1118,7 mpm 450 km in the heat. His best mating is with ‘Derby hen’ 4344/19. Both babies amongst Ace pigeons at Dinokeng lofts another 4th final SAIPR ’24..————DAM:SNPO-15-82147 H ‘1/2 sis Golden TT’ Twilight Powell.Top breeder dam to 9011 a 5 x winner. Daughter ‘Moneymaker’ foundation Twilight cock. ‘Golden TT’ dam to ‘Concorde’ SANPO gold medal winner 2015 as well as Gauteng combine. winner, ‘Mirage’ super racer and breeder. This family crossed with Kittels responsible for Lara & Fiero success at Afrika Pro.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	norman-phillips	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
17th January 2026 17:27	LOT 10 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 25 KPUD 1357 “KASINO” – Exciting baby out of a new crossing. The father is “JONGE KAAS” who is a full brother to “NIEUWE KAAS” who bred 8th Final Afrikapro 2022 as well as 1st Ace Combine Open Series 2023. The mother is a half sister to the very famous “CARCINOMA” of Andre Reynders (Witpen Hokke). She is bred directly out of “ODEN” (son of superbreeder 810) when mated to “THE MONARCH” his granddaughter who is a tripke winner, Federation Winner and Derby Winner.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	die-painters	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
17th January 2026 17:26	.LOT 9 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 25 NDK 1269 “WASP” – Bred out of “SPEED MERCHANT” who is father to “TRICKSTER” our Diaz OLR Race 7 Winner. She flew: 1st Race 7 (350km). 15th Race 4 (440km). 25th Race 8 (525km). 45th Race 2 (305km). 46th Race 3 (352km). 47th Race 5 (380km). “SPEED MERCHANT” is a direct son of “MOLTENO HEN” who is mother to “LONGOLD” our Sanpo Gold Medal Lomg Distance. The mother is “AVANT GARDE” who is out of “DUAL PURPOSE” – father to our Afrikapro Winner. Her first baby in the race loft was a winner for us during 2025. This baby is a product of one of our “RECIPE WARS”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	die-painters	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
17th January 2026 16:12	LOT 30 GLOBAL AUCTION – ZA 25 TPA 7270 -‘Grizzle Lara’ Pigeon Palace . Halfsister ‘Lara’ phenomenal record breaking racing machine at Afrika Pro 2025.1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket). 3rd final race 601. km 1150 mpm. The sire is from Derek Walsh where the famous Kittel pair originate from. ‘Special Kittel’ & ’95 hen’.—————-SIRE: GB-23-75451 C ‘Grizzle Prince’ Derek Walsh. Super inbred to worldfamous breeders Di Caprio ace racer 3 x winner & father to Olympiad pigeon Olympic Niels’ Olympiad pigeon Belgium Cat A Co-winner Gouden duif trophy 2. Ace MD Superfond 2. Ace union Antwerp 2 x 1st Provincial Championship 2012.————–DAM:PWDU-20-2638 H ‘Mienke sister’ Pigeon Palace.Her sister ‘Mienke’ was an outstanding performer at Dinokeng OLR. Mother to phenomenal record breaking racing machine “LARA” at Afrika Pro 2025.1st Ace pigeon overall (Blue Jacket) 1st Ace pigeon long distance (Brown Jacket) 3rd final race 601 km 1150 mpm.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	kwagga	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
17th January 2026 16:01	LOT 19 SURPRISE AUCTION – BE 25 6050700 -SIRE:NL 21-2127005 M “New Basic King” Reijnen-Bolton-Hoogh Blauwe Witpen 1/2 Brother to: Pont Max 1/ 6373p.————–DAM:19-3940212 V “Special Flighty” Comb. van Wanrooij.Dam to 21-6083064: Chateauroux 2023.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	salahuddin	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000

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