.LOT 5 HANNES TALJAARD 2- ZA 20 ABL 197 -SIRE: 9163 ZA 19 PRPC. Strain: 810 SABLON COLLECTION Color: Blue Bar Inbred 810 SABLON COLLECTION cock. This one will become a super breeder. Put straight to stock to make sure we breed from the best SABLON stock available.THIS IS A DIRECT SON OF JBM’S GIRL WHO WERE SOLD FOR R86 000.00 ON TOP PIGEON.———-–DAM: 82930 ZA 18. One of my favourite hens in the breeding loft. Bred from R80 000 son to direct daughter of “810”Sablon cock.. DIRECT DAUGHTER OF FAMOUS “JBM’S GIRL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!

SKU: 44017
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R3,000

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - HANNES TALJAARD - FROM 08 AUGUST TO SUNDAY 11 AUGUST 2024 (ENDING FROM 15:15)

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Highest bidder was: Sprint

Date	Bid	User
9th August 2024 20:26	R3,000	Sprint
9th August 2024 18:23	R2,500	CasperS
9th August 2024 14:28	R2,000	Sprint
9th August 2024 14:02	R1,500	Mauritz
8th August 2024 8:06	R1,000	Sprint
7th August 2024 12:55	Auction started

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14th November 2026 20:27	ZZ..LOT 119 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Marc de Cock & Friends II-BE-26-4060906 -SIRE: BE-24-6185025 “Twinkle Face 025”. Pigeon24 red chequer cock and grandson of Twinkle Star, 2022 Belgian National Long Distance Ace.——- DAM: BE-24-4017773 “Remco 773”. Marc de Cock blue hen descending from Remco, 4th National Long Distance Ace, and from Golden Prince and New Kim.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bokram	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
14th November 2026 20:25	ZZ..LOT 162 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-VanDerPasch-Wustmans-Ummbirka Lofts III-QATAR-25-2154 –	swiss-pigeons	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
14th November 2026 20:22	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R9,500	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:22	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R10,000	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:22	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R8,500	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:22	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R9,000	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:21	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R7,500	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:21	LOT 49 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4186816 -Half-sister of “BABIQUE” (6th Final & 3rd Race 5 Afrikapro 2026, 4x Top 100 – a major contributor to the Afrikapro Black Jacket victoryof Die Painters & SG Ullrich. Her father is BE-24-4070622 (A. Abajo & V. Gaver, Afrikapro 2024), a son of “RICKY’S FINNMAN” and “SPIKKEL FINN’S SIS”.` This hen has the same mother, “AFRIQUE” (bred by Beneke Lofts and owned by Tom van Gaver), AFRIKAPRO RACE 6 WINNER 2025, 2nd Race 9 Afrikapro 2025 (equal winner) and 2nd Brown Jacket Afrikapro 2025. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R7,000	Current bid: R10,000
14th November 2026 20:15	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bossie	R29,500	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 20:15	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R30,000	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 20:14	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R27,500	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 20:14	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bossie	R27,000	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:59	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jac	R26,000	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:59	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R26,500	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:58	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R20,500	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:58	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jac	R20,000	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:58	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	wonderfull	R15,500	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:58	.LOT 8 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Tom Van Gaver – Alberto Abajo BE-BE-25-4198431 -Sire — BE 23-4202367 “Finn’s New Tetske” A Tom Van Gaver chequer cock bred from Finn × New Tetske. Finn won 1st Provincial against 1,591 pigeons and placed 9th National against 7,322. New Tetske was 1st National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023 and 2nd Olympic Category C 2023. Finn’s New Tetske has also produced one-loft race performers. His pedigree records offspring results including 6th Average Speed Ace at Krakus OLR 2025, which started with 4,663 entries, and 1st Grand Average Ace before the final at Thailand Masters, listed with 5,002 entries.———– Dam — BE 21-4201779 “Jamie” A Tom Van Gaver blue hen bred from New Rudi’s James × White Finn’s Gladice. Jamie earned 1st Olympic Category C 2023, 3rd National Ace All-Round KBDB 2023, and 5th National Ace Long Distance KBDB 2023. Her race results include 4th National Tulle II against 4,993 pigeons in 2022, 11th National Libourne against 3,882 in 2023, and 13th National Bourges against 21,075 in 2023. She is also the grandmother of “031/24,” 3rd National Ace All-Round Old KBDB 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jac	R15,000	Current bid: R30,000
14th November 2026 19:22	LOT 14 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Marc de Cock & Friends II-BE-26-4060902 -SIRE:ZA 21 CRU 1143 COCK (SAME BRED SOLD FOR R178 000.00 AND R182 000.00 ON TOPPIGEON) -SON TO LOT 40 ABL 168 —-VERY GOOD RACER. FULL BROTHER TO ARROW WHO BRED BLUE MOON DINOKENG MAINRACE WINNER AND ACE BIRD SOLD FOR R400 000.00. FULL BROTHER TO 21-2678 – 4 X WINNER.FULL BROTHER TO 22-401 .22-401 IS MOTHER OF 22-499 (4TH BLUE JACKET) AFRIKA PRO 2023———–DAM: BE-22-4025641 “Golden Stephanie”. Marc de Cock blue hen, 17th in the 2023 AfrikaPro final. The pedigree credits a daughter with 10th Ace at SAIPR Summer.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	ernst17	R3,500	Current bid: R3,500
14th November 2026 19:15	LOT 89 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 4-Marc de Cock & Friends I-BE-25-4171352 -SIRE: BE-24-6185025 “Twinkle Face 025”. Pigeon24 red chequer cock and grandson of Twinkle Star, 2022 Belgian National Long Distance Ace.———— DAM: BE-24-4017773 “Remco 773”. Marc de Cock blue hen descending from Remco, 4th National Long Distance Ace, and from Golden Prince and New Kim.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bokram	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000

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