LOT 29 MARLBANK OLR -MAGETZANE / POENA MEINTJIES – ZA 23 LECHELLE 766 – 3RD HOTSPOT 3 , 7TH HOTSPOT 4———–SIRE:ZA 20 LECH. TOM LOCK R80 000.00 LINE. FATHER TO DAUGHTER MATING.————DAM:ZA17 LECH 1397 . INBRED R100 000.00. 13TH FINAL DIAZ LOFTS. VERY INBRED TO R100 000.00 TOM LOCK PAIR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

Name: LOT 29 MARLBANK OLR -MAGETZANE / POENA MEINTJIES - ZA 23 LECHELLE 766 - 3RD HOTSPOT 3 , 7TH HOTSPOT 4-----------SIRE:ZA 20 LECH. TOM LOCK R80 000.00 LINE. FATHER TO DAUGHTER MATING.------------DAM:ZA17 LECH 1397 . INBRED R100 000.00. 13TH FINAL DIAZ LOFTS. VERY INBRED TO R100 000.00 TOM LOCK PAIR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!
SKU: 44991
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R3,500

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - MARLBANK OLR - FROM 11 SEPTEMBER TO SUNDAY 15 SEPTEMBER 2024 (ENDING FROM 13:00)

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Highest bidder was: Estee

Date	Bid	User
15th September 2024 11:34	R3,500	Estee
15th September 2024 11:30	R3,000	Parowdise
15th September 2024 10:36	R2,500	[email protected]
14th September 2024 18:27	R2,000	Parowdise
12th September 2024 20:52	R1,500	William69
12th September 2024 14:04	R1,000	Wmsmith7101
11th September 2024 15:04	Auction started

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Date	Auction	Username	Bid	Status
8th March 2026 14:03	.LOT 8 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4568 -“CREME BRULEE” Painter NG Ch Out of two proven breeders of Union & Combine Winners! This is one of our “RECIPE PAIRS” that has brought us so much joy over the last few years. Father is “LONGOLD” our Sanpo Gold Medal Winner Long Distance 2022.. This cock is not only a super racer but produce two winners in his first nest – both babies being Top 1% Union performers. Mother is a daughter of the best pigeon we have ever owned – the legendary “17 X Winner” is mother, grandmother and g/gmother of our worldclass family that have produced the Afrikapro Final Race Winner, Afrikapro Green Jacket Winner, Afrikapro Blue Jacket Leader, Afrikapro Brown Jacket leader and 17 Sanpo Merit Awards The progeny of the mix of the bloodlines of the “17 X WINNER”, “KONING KAAS” and “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” has won more than 500 races over the last 8 years right across South Africa and as far as Scotland. They have proven that they canbeat the best the world has to offer at Afrikapro – not only once but on multiple occasions.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	brad	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
8th March 2026 14:03	.LOT 4 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4566 -“SPITZ” Cock Painter Putterie/Kerekes DC This baby cock is a future superstar! Bred out of two proven breeders of Union Winners. Their children played a big role in retaining our Combine Champion title in 2025. The father is our well-known SUPERBREEDER “PINNACLE” – sire to 5 winners in 4 different lofts. Also father to 11th National Ace Pigeon Overall 2025. “PINNACLE” is the top breeding son of the legendary “SPRINGBOK” – sire to 14 X 1st prize winners and grandfather to more than 30 1st prize winners. Mother is from Charles Kerekes out of his top pair that bred several Fed winners. The father has bred 10 Fed Winners and 22 Club winners in total. Last year, this hen bred us a Union Winner & 2nd Union in her first nest.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	baniedutoitgmail-com	R4,500	Current bid: R4,500
8th March 2026 14:02	.LOT 3 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4567 -“CREME DE LA CREME” Painter NG Ch Out of two proven breeders of Union & Combine Winners! This is one of our “RECIPE PAIRS” that has brought us so much joy over the last few years. Father is “LONGOLD” our Sanpo Gold Medal Winner Long Distance 2022.. This cock is not only a super racer but produce two winners in his first nest – both babies being Top 1% Union performers. Mother is a daughter of the best pigeon we have ever owned – the legendary “17 X Winner” is mother, grandmother and g/gmother of our worldclass family that have produced the Afrikapro Final Race Winner, Afrikapro Green Jacket Winner, Afrikapro Blue Jacket Leader, Afrikapro Brown Jacket leader and 17 Sanpo Merit Awards The progeny of the mix of the bloodlines of the “17 X WINNER”, “KONING KAAS” and “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” has won more than 500 races over the last 8 years right across South Africa and as far as Scotland. They have proven that they canbeat the best the world has to offer at Afrikapro – not only once but on multiple occasions.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	baniedutoitgmail-com	R4,000	Current bid: R4,000
8th March 2026 14:01	.LOT 4 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4566 -“SPITZ” Cock Painter Putterie/Kerekes DC This baby cock is a future superstar! Bred out of two proven breeders of Union Winners. Their children played a big role in retaining our Combine Champion title in 2025. The father is our well-known SUPERBREEDER “PINNACLE” – sire to 5 winners in 4 different lofts. Also father to 11th National Ace Pigeon Overall 2025. “PINNACLE” is the top breeding son of the legendary “SPRINGBOK” – sire to 14 X 1st prize winners and grandfather to more than 30 1st prize winners. Mother is from Charles Kerekes out of his top pair that bred several Fed winners. The father has bred 10 Fed Winners and 22 Club winners in total. Last year, this hen bred us a Union Winner & 2nd Union in her first nest.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	reeba	R4,000	Current bid: R4,500
8th March 2026 14:00	.LOT 3 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4567 -“CREME DE LA CREME” Painter NG Ch Out of two proven breeders of Union & Combine Winners! This is one of our “RECIPE PAIRS” that has brought us so much joy over the last few years. Father is “LONGOLD” our Sanpo Gold Medal Winner Long Distance 2022.. This cock is not only a super racer but produce two winners in his first nest – both babies being Top 1% Union performers. Mother is a daughter of the best pigeon we have ever owned – the legendary “17 X Winner” is mother, grandmother and g/gmother of our worldclass family that have produced the Afrikapro Final Race Winner, Afrikapro Green Jacket Winner, Afrikapro Blue Jacket Leader, Afrikapro Brown Jacket leader and 17 Sanpo Merit Awards The progeny of the mix of the bloodlines of the “17 X WINNER”, “KONING KAAS” and “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” has won more than 500 races over the last 8 years right across South Africa and as far as Scotland. They have proven that they canbeat the best the world has to offer at Afrikapro – not only once but on multiple occasions.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	reeba	R3,500	Current bid: R4,000
8th March 2026 13:57	.LOT 4 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4566 -“SPITZ” Cock Painter Putterie/Kerekes DC This baby cock is a future superstar! Bred out of two proven breeders of Union Winners. Their children played a big role in retaining our Combine Champion title in 2025. The father is our well-known SUPERBREEDER “PINNACLE” – sire to 5 winners in 4 different lofts. Also father to 11th National Ace Pigeon Overall 2025. “PINNACLE” is the top breeding son of the legendary “SPRINGBOK” – sire to 14 X 1st prize winners and grandfather to more than 30 1st prize winners. Mother is from Charles Kerekes out of his top pair that bred several Fed winners. The father has bred 10 Fed Winners and 22 Club winners in total. Last year, this hen bred us a Union Winner & 2nd Union in her first nest.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	baniedutoitgmail-com	R3,500	Current bid: R4,500
8th March 2026 13:52	.LOT 3 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4567 -“CREME DE LA CREME” Painter NG Ch Out of two proven breeders of Union & Combine Winners! This is one of our “RECIPE PAIRS” that has brought us so much joy over the last few years. Father is “LONGOLD” our Sanpo Gold Medal Winner Long Distance 2022.. This cock is not only a super racer but produce two winners in his first nest – both babies being Top 1% Union performers. Mother is a daughter of the best pigeon we have ever owned – the legendary “17 X Winner” is mother, grandmother and g/gmother of our worldclass family that have produced the Afrikapro Final Race Winner, Afrikapro Green Jacket Winner, Afrikapro Blue Jacket Leader, Afrikapro Brown Jacket leader and 17 Sanpo Merit Awards The progeny of the mix of the bloodlines of the “17 X WINNER”, “KONING KAAS” and “THE FAMOUS SK HEN” has won more than 500 races over the last 8 years right across South Africa and as far as Scotland. They have proven that they canbeat the best the world has to offer at Afrikapro – not only once but on multiple occasions.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	baniedutoitgmail-com	R3,000	Current bid: R4,000
8th March 2026 13:34	.LOT 2 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4564 -“SPECKLE THROAT” Twilight/Turbo Tom BB SUPER BRED TWILIGHT/TURBO TOM BLOOD! This is the same blood that has brought fame & success for many of the top names at Afrikapro & in the Gauteng Combine. Directly out of FERDIE’S COCK – son of Ferdie Lubbe’s super pair “DRUMMER” X “SILENCE” that bred 3 ACE PIGEONS. He is a very good producer and bred a SWPC Combine Winner for R Williams in Cape Town. Mother is from Pigeon Palace – her father is a half brother of top breeeder “DOUBLE COMBINE” and her mother bred a Sanpo Gold Medal Winner – same hen bred the well-known “INDIAN HORSE”. These are the same lines responsible for Afrikapro Champions like “JULIA”, “LARA” and “FIERO”. This hen has also produced the goods for us. One of her daughters was a 1st Place winners and equal 1st place for us at Dinokeng 2023.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	basil	R1,500	Winning Bid: R1,500
8th March 2026 13:16	LOT 10 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 3-ZA 49 2025 -HOTSPOT 2 WINNER WINNING R25 000.00———SIRE:1037 24 ZA .Strain: HARDY KRUGER/SAMDPR Color: BLUEBAR FATHER EQUEL WINNER DIAZ OLR 2023 MOTHER-FULL SISTER 3RD ACE PIGEON VIC FALLS 2023.—————DAM:11565 OP 23 ZA .Color: BLUEBAR FLEW IN SAPIR OLR SUMMER SERIES 2023/2024. 6TH FINAL RACE AND 1ST CHALLENGE RACE. BRED BY RIAAN STRYDOM. MOTHER TO 2 HOTSPOT WINNERS SUMMER RACE SAIPR AND VIC FALLS 2ND PLACE HS 5 AND 33TH PLACE FINAL VIC FALLS 2025(VERY DIFFICULT RACE WITH ONLY 14 DAYBIDS).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	yuriy-shmelev	R5,000	Current bid: R5,500
8th March 2026 13:16	LOT 10 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 3-ZA 49 2025 -HOTSPOT 2 WINNER WINNING R25 000.00———SIRE:1037 24 ZA .Strain: HARDY KRUGER/SAMDPR Color: BLUEBAR FATHER EQUEL WINNER DIAZ OLR 2023 MOTHER-FULL SISTER 3RD ACE PIGEON VIC FALLS 2023.—————DAM:11565 OP 23 ZA .Color: BLUEBAR FLEW IN SAPIR OLR SUMMER SERIES 2023/2024. 6TH FINAL RACE AND 1ST CHALLENGE RACE. BRED BY RIAAN STRYDOM. MOTHER TO 2 HOTSPOT WINNERS SUMMER RACE SAIPR AND VIC FALLS 2ND PLACE HS 5 AND 33TH PLACE FINAL VIC FALLS 2025(VERY DIFFICULT RACE WITH ONLY 14 DAYBIDS).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fwm	R5,500	Current bid: R5,500
8th March 2026 13:14	.LOT 3 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 1-ZA 38 2025 -12TH HOTSPOT 1 EQUAL WINNER———-SIRE:22 ZA 42350 .Strain: Hebberecht/Houben/Oscar/V Color: CHECK DIAZ LOFTS 2023 FLEW 3 RD (EQUEL WINNER)FINAL RACE WITH ONLY 7 DAYBIRDS. 42350 MOTHER AND VICTORIA FALLS 8TH POSITION MOTHER ,ARE SISTERS(HARDY KRUGER/HEBBERECHT)..————–DAM:SRSP 21 ZA 1183.Strain: TOM LOCK/SAMDPR WINNING L Color: BLUEBAR CARNIVAL SUMMER RACE 2021/2022 FLEW 18TH IN FINAL AND 8TH BEST PIGEON. FATHER- TOM LOCK -WINNER OF 2021 SUMMER RACE MOTHER-SAMDPR WINNING LINES – 2ND PLACE SUMMER RACE 2021.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	yuriy-shmelev	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
8th March 2026 13:14	.LOT 3 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 1-ZA 38 2025 -12TH HOTSPOT 1 EQUAL WINNER———-SIRE:22 ZA 42350 .Strain: Hebberecht/Houben/Oscar/V Color: CHECK DIAZ LOFTS 2023 FLEW 3 RD (EQUEL WINNER)FINAL RACE WITH ONLY 7 DAYBIRDS. 42350 MOTHER AND VICTORIA FALLS 8TH POSITION MOTHER ,ARE SISTERS(HARDY KRUGER/HEBBERECHT)..————–DAM:SRSP 21 ZA 1183.Strain: TOM LOCK/SAMDPR WINNING L Color: BLUEBAR CARNIVAL SUMMER RACE 2021/2022 FLEW 18TH IN FINAL AND 8TH BEST PIGEON. FATHER- TOM LOCK -WINNER OF 2021 SUMMER RACE MOTHER-SAMDPR WINNING LINES – 2ND PLACE SUMMER RACE 2021.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	fwm	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
8th March 2026 13:10	.LOT 5 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – GREG ANDERSON-GRPF 3514 2025 -SIRE:397 TRPF 24. HARRY WILLSON. JELLEMA/GANUS/HOOYMANS.28th Final Carnival Summer 2025.———–DAM:1 NSPES 24 DAVID ROBINSON Bont .2ND hotspot1 saipr summer 2025 .11th final saipr summer 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	umberti	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
8th March 2026 12:43	.LOT 6 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4571 -“NEW HORIZON” Painter NG X KITTEL LC Great new pair! Halfbrother “DUAL PURPOSE” – father of Afrikapro Final race Winner 2025 mated to a superbly bred Kittel Hen from Dominique Velghe. This hen carries both the Derek Walsh cocks – 63384 (g/father “TURBO KITTEL”) and 63390 (father “PALACE PRINCE” in her bloodline.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bradburylofts	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
8th March 2026 12:42	.LOT 5 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4580 -“ZARA” Bb Painter/Pigeon Palace Super exciting pair! Quality like this is not on the market often! Father is out of the only pair in SA to breed two separate 1st National Ace Pigeons. He is a proven breeder of Union winners in Limpopo as well as in Gauteng. The mother is out of one of Pigeon Palace’s top pairs. Her father is the famous “DOUBLE COMBINE” and the mother is equally famous “ZARINA” Sanpo Gold Medal Winner Overall 2022. The first babies out of this pair were both sent to compete at Afrikapro 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bradburylofts	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
8th March 2026 12:28	LOT 10 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 3-ZA 49 2025 -HOTSPOT 2 WINNER WINNING R25 000.00———SIRE:1037 24 ZA .Strain: HARDY KRUGER/SAMDPR Color: BLUEBAR FATHER EQUEL WINNER DIAZ OLR 2023 MOTHER-FULL SISTER 3RD ACE PIGEON VIC FALLS 2023.—————DAM:11565 OP 23 ZA .Color: BLUEBAR FLEW IN SAPIR OLR SUMMER SERIES 2023/2024. 6TH FINAL RACE AND 1ST CHALLENGE RACE. BRED BY RIAAN STRYDOM. MOTHER TO 2 HOTSPOT WINNERS SUMMER RACE SAIPR AND VIC FALLS 2ND PLACE HS 5 AND 33TH PLACE FINAL VIC FALLS 2025(VERY DIFFICULT RACE WITH ONLY 14 DAYBIDS).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fwm	R4,500	Current bid: R5,500
8th March 2026 12:27	.LOT 8 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – Ninja 1-VPU 2568 2025 -SIRE:BE 24 3099884 CHECK COCK -KING ARTHUR: 1.NAT Ace KBDB Sprint young B 2023.—-THE MIRACLE: 7.NAT ACE KBDB YB. 2.PROV ACE KBDB YB. 1.Ace Tienverbond.————-DAM: BE 23 6062472. JOS VERCAMMEN.SIRE IS “JOS THE BOSS” FLEW 46TH AGAINST 21 282P NATIONAL ARGENTON 552MM.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	massey-399	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
8th March 2026 12:22	LOT 10 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – WILLIE MUNNIK 3-ZA 49 2025 -HOTSPOT 2 WINNER WINNING R25 000.00———SIRE:1037 24 ZA .Strain: HARDY KRUGER/SAMDPR Color: BLUEBAR FATHER EQUEL WINNER DIAZ OLR 2023 MOTHER-FULL SISTER 3RD ACE PIGEON VIC FALLS 2023.—————DAM:11565 OP 23 ZA .Color: BLUEBAR FLEW IN SAPIR OLR SUMMER SERIES 2023/2024. 6TH FINAL RACE AND 1ST CHALLENGE RACE. BRED BY RIAAN STRYDOM. MOTHER TO 2 HOTSPOT WINNERS SUMMER RACE SAIPR AND VIC FALLS 2ND PLACE HS 5 AND 33TH PLACE FINAL VIC FALLS 2025(VERY DIFFICULT RACE WITH ONLY 14 DAYBIDS).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	sparksaxsel	R4,000	Current bid: R5,500
8th March 2026 12:19	.LOT 1 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4554 – “GOLDEN GAVER” Bb Cock Painter/Tom van Gaver Bred out of a hen directly from worldfamous Tom van Gaver (granddaughter of his legendary “FINN”) when mated to “GOLDEN WHIP’ our 1st NATIONAL ACE LONG DISTANCE (500 – 2000p) fin 2024. “GOLDEN WHIP” is also a full brother of “MEDAL MISS” our 1st OVERALL NATIONAL ACE PIGEON MIDDLE DISTANCE 2019. He is also full brother to “BAKBEEN”, the sire of the AFRIKAPRO GREEN JACKET WINNER 2024.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	loutjie	R10,500	Winning Bid: R10,500
8th March 2026 12:11	LOT 18 SAIPR SUMMER AUCTION 3 – Pat Manuel/Joe Gomes-GPU 2415 2025 -SIRE: ZA 21 GPU 8503 . DIRECT CHILD TO DOUBLE GOLD AND COMBINE HEN.————DAM:ZA-2022-CYRL-365 Joe Gomes.ZA-2022-CYRL-365 Joe Gomes.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	umberti	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000

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