LOT 19 KAROO MILLION SPECIALIST – ZA 23 OUDELUCK 43 – OUDELUCK WES -SIRE: 0855 ZA BHU 18 . HILTON COCK. THIS IS A BROTHER SISTER MATING FROM THE ORIGINAL SLIMME FAMILY. HE WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL BREEDER FOR HILTON ADAMS.————-DAM:ZA 22 SANPO 8770 . REONS ACE. 1ST ACE BIRD QRPC 2023. SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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19th July 2025 4:13	LOT 16 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 VIL 1678 -1/2 br. Zarina’ Pigeon Palace Grizzle Halfbrother ‘Zarina’ SANPO Gold medal winner and excellent breeder Pigeon Palace.————-SIRE:VPU-18-6734 C ‘Andries Grizzle’ Pigeon Palace.Union winner 800 km plus long distance on the day of liberation for Andries Fivaz. Top breeder bred from a click pair of the old lines of Gys Louw Aelbrecht xBosua/Bricoux. Sire to SANPO Gold medal winner allround 2022 ‘Zarina’. She is a 3 x union winner and one of the best hens in the Republic ! Super pigeon and surely one of the best Grizzle cocks in South Africa. Sire to many winners on union level.———–DAM:20-1201115 H ‘Jan Aarden hen’ Aarden Paarsborst.Paarsborst line double National winner in the heat. ‘Paarsborst’ won 1st National Lourdes ’05 1st National Dax ’06 also 2nd Internatuional Dax 33 National Pau 208 National Perpignan.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	f1-lofts	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
18th July 2025 21:49	LOT 11 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 BENZ 3542 -Top Kittel cock and a grandson to ‘Kitty Gold Dust’ double granddaughter to the best sister in the world of ‘Kittel’ 1st National Ace KBDB. Also grandson to ‘Double Combine’ sire to ‘Julia’ winner Afrika Pro final 22 600km in the heat. His dam is a halfsister to SANPO Gold medal winner 2019 allround 2000+pigeons.————–SIRE:KGL-24-352 C ‘Golden Kittel’ Pigeon Palace.Halfbrother on sire side to ‘Julia’ Afrika Pro final race winner also 1/2 br to 26th & 57th final ’23 & 77th Final 24 on the day. only a few birds back as well as winner of race 5 and equal winner race 2. Halfbrother on dam side to first SA bird Pattaya final 24. Bred by Pigeon. Palace winners Afrika Pro final ’22 also 6th Black Jacket, 3rd & 8th Black Jacket ’23, 6th & 16th Black Jacket 24 leaders. in races 1,2,3,5,6,7 8,9 a record.———–DAM:PWDU-20-2534 H ‘Derby Indian Horse’ Pigeon Palace.Half sister SANPO gold medal winner 2019 allround 2000 plus pigeons. Top racer on Union and combine level also. Derby winner 640 km. Sister to ‘Indian Horse’ super racer Combine level & 24011/17 excellent racer and the dam to 6th Blue Jacket Afrika pro and 9th final in 2022. Bred from a click pair.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	neal	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 21:48	.LOT 4 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 946 -Top bloodline from two top breeders. Halfsister SANPO Gold medal 2019 against 2000+ birds. Best Kittel super genetics.————-SIRE:NL-23-9421889 C ‘Doldersum Best Kit’. TEAM GPS. THIS IS A DIRECT GRANDSON TO BEST KITTEL. DAM IS ALSO A GRANDCHILD TO BEST KITTEL.———-DAM: ZA 15 3281 . ZA-15-3281 H ‘Dam SANPO GOLD. Twilight Smokey BB. Best racer over 3 years for us. 6th Ace short distance union etc. Dam to 27557/17 SANPO gold medal allround 2019 also National ace short distance 2000. + pigeons. Breeder of Gauteng combine winner also g/dam 6th Blue Jacket Afrika Pro & 9th final. Her children and g/children are phenomenal racers.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	rob	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th July 2025 21:48	.LOT 8 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 993 -Super hen from Kittel bloodline ! Halfsister on dam side to first SA bird Pattaya final ’24. ‘Olympic Kittel’ line x ‘Gold Dust’ the best sister ‘Kittel’ in the world. Bred by Pigeon Palace winners Afrika Pro final 22 also 6th Black Jacket, 3rd & 8th Black Jacket ’23, 6th & 16th Black Jacket ’24 leaders in races. 1,2,3,5,6,7 8,9 a record.————–SIRE:DV 01777 22 724. ROMARIO KITTEL. HIS SIRE IS A SON OF OLYMPIC KITTEL X BRAVEHEART 819.————DAM:NLD-21-1676258 H Kitty Gold Dust 258 Van den Bulc x Sange Red Daughter ‘Kitty’ 1. Isnes 1984 b Double g/daughter of famous ‘Gold Dust’. Best breeding sister ‘Kittel’in the world. 3. gen offspring won 1. prov.ace +19000 b. 1. Nat.Valentia 2200 1. Nat. Zone/3.Nat. Viv onne 3379 2.Best Dutch YB PIPA ranking 6 pr’18 2. acebird Ningxia Senxiang China OLR 1.IF Cuevas C1.OLR 1.prov.Niergn. 16973 1.NPO PS Maxen. 12240 1.TXT Chalons 5940 1.NPO Fontenay 5577 1. Soissons 4090 1.Niergies 3393 1.Nanteuil 3086 4.prov .SEE PEDIGREE!!!	neal	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 21:47	.LOT 6 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 BENZ 3591 -Bred from a top pair. Grandson foundation Bosua cock ‘Lot 7’. Sire & grandsire to Fed & union winners as well as 3 (three) Gauteng combine winners.——–SIRE:ZA-18-82405 C ‘Twilight Pearl’ Pigeon Palace Pencil Top racer bred from a click pair. Sire to winners also a Gauteng Combine winner & union winner. Linebred to the dam of ‘Golden TT’ and our foundation hen 058/05.————DAM:GRPF-20-107 H LOT 7/”57″.Stock Hen 2021. Super breeder of 3 federation winners and one Gauteng combine winner. Bred from the best Bosual cock in the country ‘Lot 7’ inbred Autokoppel, best of Holland.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	neal	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th July 2025 21:45	LOT 18 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 VIL 1686 -Eierjkamp Goed Grijs x Rico White man 1. world best pigeon speed 2019 Belgium. ‘Rico’ 1. National Ace KBDB youngsters. 2020. Excellent pair of pigeons.———–SIRE:NL-23-9100769 C Goed Grijs Eijerkamp H&E. J Eijerkamp. Son Jamie x Miss De Duif.. Grandson of the super couple Viton x Daughter Goed Grijs.————DAM:BELG-22-5082021 C ‘White man duivin’ White man. Lijn Rico x Mormelke Marie. ‘White man’ dynasty currently most sought after in Europe. Ace pigeon. genetics..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	koos-van-stapel	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th July 2025 21:31	LOT 19 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 951 -Sire out of the best Kittel pair in South Africa! The dam is an inbred ‘Golden TT’ super hen. Bred along the same lines. as Turbo Kittel’. Related to Gauteng combine best bird ’24 also Afrika Pro final race winner ’22.——————SIRE:JWDK-24-4044 C.Bred from the best Kittel pair in South Africa Full brother to 63384/18 & 63390/18 Alwyn Bester. ‘63384 g/f to Turbo Kittel SANPO Gold medal & 3rd world allround best bird. G/f to 9060/20 2nd Ace middle distance union. Sire to 604/22 1st Gauteng Combine Noupoort ’23 & double PTA union winner also ace pigeon overall. ‘63390’ sire to ‘Dynasty’ grand averages winner Dinokeng OLR ’22 also 343/21 union winner Verkeerdevlei & 344/21 R100 000 B/s winner Crusaders.—————–DAM:SRSPV-16-0707 H ‘Inbred Golden TT’ Twilight-Turbo Tom.Top Twilight hen. Halfsister ‘Golden TT’. Bred from foundation Twilight cock ‘Moneymaker’ mated to ‘Turbo magic’ his full brother’s daughter. Dam to 7776/20 top racer and breeder. Her siblings bred 5 x SANPO medal winners in recent years.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	christo-b	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th July 2025 21:08	.LOT 9 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 VIL 1687 -Eierjkamp Goed Grijs x Rico White man 1. world best pigeon speed 2019 Belgium. ‘Rico’ 1. National Ace KBDB youngsters. 2020. Excellent pair of pigeons.———–SIRE:NL-23-9100769 C Goed Grijs Eijerkamp H&E. J Eijerkamp. Son Jamie x Miss De Duif.. Grandson of the super couple Viton x Daughter Goed Grijs.————DAM:BELG-22-5082021 C ‘White man duivin’ White man. Lijn Rico x Mormelke Marie. ‘White man’ dynasty currently most sought after in Europe. Ace pigeon. genetics..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	torrez	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 21:07	.LOT 8 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 993 -Super hen from Kittel bloodline ! Halfsister on dam side to first SA bird Pattaya final ’24. ‘Olympic Kittel’ line x ‘Gold Dust’ the best sister ‘Kittel’ in the world. Bred by Pigeon Palace winners Afrika Pro final 22 also 6th Black Jacket, 3rd & 8th Black Jacket ’23, 6th & 16th Black Jacket ’24 leaders in races. 1,2,3,5,6,7 8,9 a record.————–SIRE:DV 01777 22 724. ROMARIO KITTEL. HIS SIRE IS A SON OF OLYMPIC KITTEL X BRAVEHEART 819.————DAM:NLD-21-1676258 H Kitty Gold Dust 258 Van den Bulc x Sange Red Daughter ‘Kitty’ 1. Isnes 1984 b Double g/daughter of famous ‘Gold Dust’. Best breeding sister ‘Kittel’in the world. 3. gen offspring won 1. prov.ace +19000 b. 1. Nat.Valentia 2200 1. Nat. Zone/3.Nat. Viv onne 3379 2.Best Dutch YB PIPA ranking 6 pr’18 2. acebird Ningxia Senxiang China OLR 1.IF Cuevas C1.OLR 1.prov.Niergn. 16973 1.NPO PS Maxen. 12240 1.TXT Chalons 5940 1.NPO Fontenay 5577 1. Soissons 4090 1.Niergies 3393 1.Nanteuil 3086 4.prov .SEE PEDIGREE!!!	torrez	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 21:04	LOT 22 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 996 -Grandchild to super Kittel pair ‘Special Kittel’ x 95 hen’ and ‘Mirage’ super racer & breeder. Related to best bird Gauteng combine ’24. The sire bred excellent birds —————SIRE:BELG-14-6264044 C ’44 Roodhooft’ Andre Roodhooft.Top stock cock in Belgium. Bought for 10000 euros! Sire to a 3x GPU winner for Kevin Kitchenbrand.————–DAM:JWDK-24-4099 H ’95 Beauty’ Pigeon Palace Red Pied.Super special hen bred from the best Kittel pair in SA ! Full sister to 63384/18&63390/18 Alwyn Bester. ‘63384 g/f to Turbo Kittel SANPO Gold medal & 3rd world allround best bird. G/f to 9060/20 2nd Ace middle distance. union. Sire 604/22 1st Gauteng Combine Noupoort 23 & double PTA union winner also ace pigeon overall. ‘63390’ sire to ‘Dynasty’ grand averages winner Dinokeng OLR ’22 also 343/21 union winner Verkeerdevlei & 344/21 R100 000 B/s winner Crusaders.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	hpm	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th July 2025 19:59	LOT 17 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 949 –Inbred Goed Grijs. Currently the most. sought after bloodline in the World————SIRE:BELG-23-6159300 C ‘Goed Grijs PIPA’ Vermeerbergen-Wilms.Grandson Grizzle. Mama exceptionel breeding hen. Dam to Grizzle Best Kittel winner of 17 x best 1% over 20 races. 2nd Nat Ace & 5 x 1st prize!———–DAM:NL-23-9559269 H ‘Gucci Goed Grijs’ Henk Douna.Bred from a click pair & sister to excellent racers. ‘Gucci Grizzle’ bred from direct Gebr. Leideman ‘Viton x daughter Goed Grijs’ is full sister to ‘Speedy Grizzle’ 1st. Nat. Asduif Natour WHZB 19 Eijerkamp Lofts. ‘Dgt. Gucci Grizzle’ won 1 Prov Asduif snelheid ’21.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	daniels-loft	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 19:55	LOT 21 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 BENZ 3593 -Excellent youngster bred from two top stock birds. Sire bred semi National winner in Belgium also a 3 x union winner in GPU. Dam halfsister SANPO Gold medal winner ‘Mr Medals’.————–SIRE:BELG-14-6264044 C ’44 Roodhooft’ Andre Roodhooft.Top stock cock in Belgium. Bought for 10000 euros! Sire to a 3x GPU winner for Kevin Kitchenbrand.————–DAM:ZA-18-82428 H.Halfsister 4208/19 the dam of ‘Zarina’ SANPO Gold medal winner ’22 allround. Bred from number one Kannibaal cock mated to his dam who is the foundation of Die Huysers loft. Dam to winners.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	g-page	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th July 2025 19:38	.LOT 1 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – ZA 25 GPU 3323 –THIS IS BRED FROM A BROTHER AND SISTER MATING.—————SIRE:GB-24-V53212 M.Alias: “Billy Blizzard” Strain: Pierre Beyl Bred for stock, especially fo r Excelsior Acutions. SIRE AND DAM ARE GRANDCHILDREN TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”.——–DAM:GB-24-V53200 F.NAME: Bulcky Blizzard FAMILY: Pierre Beyl COLOR: Grizzle Bred for stock, especially for Excelsior auctions. SIRE AND DAM ARE GRANDCHILDREN TO WORLD FAMOUS “BLIZZARD KING KITTEL”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	daniels-loft	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
18th July 2025 19:00	LOT 14 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 994 -Grandchild to super Kittel pair ‘Special Kittel’ x ’95 hen’ and ‘Mirage’ super racer & breeder.——————-SIRE:JWDK-24-4002.’95/02′ Pigeon Palace Dark Check Bred from the best Kittel pair in South Africa! Full brother to 63384/18&63390/18 Alwyn Bester Lofts. Responsible for amazing results over the last 3 years. ‘63384 g/f to Turbo Kittel SANPO Gold medal & 3rd world allround best bird. G/f to 9060/20 2nd Ace middle distance union. Sire to 604/22 1st Gauteng Combine Noupoort ’23 & double PTA union winner also ace pigeon overall. ‘63390’ sire to ‘Dynasty’ grand averages winner Dinokeng OLR ’22 also 343/21 union————-DAM:ZA-18-82390 H ‘Rooi Mirage’ Pigeon Palace RCH Top racer & breeder. Winner 1800 velocity. Halfsister. SANPO Gold medal winner ’19 allround. Direct daughter super pigeon ‘Mirage’. Sibling to a best bird and top racers. Her one 1/2 sister is a great breeder for Die Huysers 3033/16.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	cyril	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th July 2025 17:35	.LOT 7 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 992 -Inbred Goed Grijs. Currently the most. sought after bloodline in the World————SIRE:BELG-23-6159300 C ‘Goed Grijs PIPA’ Vermeerbergen-Wilms.Grandson Grizzle. Mama exceptionel breeding hen. Dam to Grizzle Best Kittel winner of 17 x best 1% over 20 races. 2nd Nat Ace & 5 x 1st prize!———–DAM:NL-23-9559269 H ‘Gucci Goed Grijs’ Henk Douna.Bred from a click pair & sister to excellent racers. ‘Gucci Grizzle’ bred from direct Gebr. Leideman ‘Viton x daughter Goed Grijs’ is full sister to ‘Speedy Grizzle’ 1st. Nat. Asduif Natour WHZB 19 Eijerkamp Lofts. ‘Dgt. Gucci Grizzle’ won 1 Prov Asduif snelheid ’21.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	franx	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
18th July 2025 17:35	.LOT 3 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 991 –Inbred Goed Grijs. Currently the most. sought after bloodline in the World————SIRE:BELG-23-6159300 C ‘Goed Grijs PIPA’ Vermeerbergen-Wilms.Grandson Grizzle. Mama exceptionel breeding hen. Dam to Grizzle Best Kittel winner of 17 x best 1% over 20 races. 2nd Nat Ace & 5 x 1st prize!———–DAM:NL-23-9559269 H ‘Gucci Goed Grijs’ Henk Douna.Bred from a click pair & sister to excellent racers. ‘Gucci Grizzle’ bred from direct Gebr. Leideman ‘Viton x daughter Goed Grijs’ is full sister to ‘Speedy Grizzle’ 1st. Nat. Asduif Natour WHZB 19 Eijerkamp Lofts. ‘Dgt. Gucci Grizzle’ won 1 Prov Asduif snelheid ’21.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	franx	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 14:36	LOT 13 DIAMOND AUCTION –BLUE BAR HEN GPU 17 1111 Father: My 07 Mortimer cock still fills, foundation cock. Mother: My Kaasboer hen out of Dominator and Beauty Gaston. Click pair.She is sister to 1002 best O/B Club 2nd best bird long distance Combine 2018, 1557 Double winner Union winner. Breeds winners. 19318 winner 2nd Union, 3535 winner 3rd Union, 3886 Lot 10 1st Club 2nd Union, 1125 top racer. This is the cream.	lion	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
18th July 2025 12:10	LOT 17 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 949 –Inbred Goed Grijs. Currently the most. sought after bloodline in the World————SIRE:BELG-23-6159300 C ‘Goed Grijs PIPA’ Vermeerbergen-Wilms.Grandson Grizzle. Mama exceptionel breeding hen. Dam to Grizzle Best Kittel winner of 17 x best 1% over 20 races. 2nd Nat Ace & 5 x 1st prize!———–DAM:NL-23-9559269 H ‘Gucci Goed Grijs’ Henk Douna.Bred from a click pair & sister to excellent racers. ‘Gucci Grizzle’ bred from direct Gebr. Leideman ‘Viton x daughter Goed Grijs’ is full sister to ‘Speedy Grizzle’ 1st. Nat. Asduif Natour WHZB 19 Eijerkamp Lofts. ‘Dgt. Gucci Grizzle’ won 1 Prov Asduif snelheid ’21.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	amo	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 12:09	.LOT 9 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 24 VIL 1687 -Eierjkamp Goed Grijs x Rico White man 1. world best pigeon speed 2019 Belgium. ‘Rico’ 1. National Ace KBDB youngsters. 2020. Excellent pair of pigeons.———–SIRE:NL-23-9100769 C Goed Grijs Eijerkamp H&E. J Eijerkamp. Son Jamie x Miss De Duif.. Grandson of the super couple Viton x Daughter Goed Grijs.————DAM:BELG-22-5082021 C ‘White man duivin’ White man. Lijn Rico x Mormelke Marie. ‘White man’ dynasty currently most sought after in Europe. Ace pigeon. genetics..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	amo	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
18th July 2025 11:19	LOT 13 PIGEON PALACE – ZA 25 TURFPET 948 -SIRE:JWDK-24-4100 C. PIGEON PALACE.Bred from the best. Kittel pair in South Africa Full brother to 63384/18 & 63390/18 Alwyn Bester. ‘63384’ g/f to Turbo Kittel SANPO Gold medal & 3rd world allround. best bird. G/f to 9060/20 2nd Ace middle distance union. Sire 604/22 1st Gauteng Combine Noupoort ’23 & double PTA union winner also ace pigeon overall. ‘63390’ sire to ‘Dynasty’ grand averages winner Dinokeng OLR ’22 also 343/21 union winner Verkeerdevlei & 344/21 R100 000 B/s winner Crusaders.———DAM:ZA-17-34801 H Golden Thread Mirage Pigeon Palace. Super breeder form great families. Dam to ‘Mienke arguably the best racer at Dinokeng lofts after ‘Blue Moon’. Positions at Dinokeng races : 14,50,28,9,214,2,1 4 x in first pack! ‘BIG MONEY’ race final winner ’21 ! 2nd ACE bird, 2nd – bakkie race. 2nd Barzalona final overnight hard race. Bred from a super pair of pigeons. Her sister 2638/20 is PTA union winner and top racer.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	amo	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000

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