.LOT 3 WACKY WEDNESDAY – ZA 20 PWDU 2013 -This is a super hen . She is a Pretoria Noupoort ( 700km ) winner and she is bred from a Golden click pair for Vic and Hendrik PTAO champions . Her father , a mealy cock was the overall best pigeon in PTAO in 2019 . Her mother , a Tom Lock / Kanibaal hen was overall SANPO Silver medal , Cat. 3 SANPO Overall Gold and SANPO Cat 4 short Gold medal . This golden Bushaert / Tom Lock pair formed the foundation of super successes in Pretoria . ZA 20 PWDU 2013 is a medium size strongly build hen who already had success at stock .SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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Winning Bid: R1,000

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Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - WACKY WEDNESDAY - FROM 17 MARCH TO WEDNESDAY 18 MARCH 2026 (ENDING FROM 20:20)

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Date	Bid	User	Auto
18th March 2026 20:23	R1,000	Macfly
17th March 2026 9:26	Auction started

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26th April 2026 17:47	SAIPR BREEDING STATION BABIES KIT (4X BABIES) – ZA 26 KPU 4957 , ZA 26 KPU 4958 , ZA 26 KPU 4959 , ZA 26 KPU 4960- SEE PEDIGREES!!	featherwood-lofts	R4,500	Winning Bid: R4,500
26th April 2026 17:31	LOT 47 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – BE 18 6064744 -Bred from elite Belgian winning bloodlines, this pigeon is a direct product of the renowned Johan De Belser loft, combining the very best of Kaasboer, Goovaerts, and Flor Engels genetics. The sire line is built around the famous “DEN 500” (BE00-6485500) — a top-class son of “DEN OSKAR” (BE97-6423539), linked to national-level performance including Bourges National. This line is further strengthened by a direct daughter of 1st Provincial Blois, making it a proven foundation of winners and breeders. On the dam side, we see pure class through “DIVA” (BE12-6023720) and “JUNIOR 500” (BE07-6031645) — both direct from the legendary Kaasboer strain. This family is responsible for multiple top breeders including “VICTOR” (full brother to Junior 500) and originates from the base breeder “STEKPENDER” (7x 1st prize winner).SEE PEDIGREE!!!	danke	R1,000	Winning Bid: R1,000
26th April 2026 17:18	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	mike	R5,500	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:16	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johanbekker	R5,000	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:15	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	mike	R4,500	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:15	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johanbekker	R4,000	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:14	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	mike	R3,500	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:12	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johanbekker	R3,000	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:11	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	bennie	R2,500	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 17:09	LOT 40 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 9189 ZA 19 GPU -SIRE: 0504 NRHU 12 ZA “Super 810 Seun” – Sablon Line Direct son of the legendary “810 Super Breeder” (BE 07-4253810) – one of the most influential De Rauw-Sablon foundation pigeons. This line is built on the famous Limoges blood, known worldwide for producing top long-distance and one-loft race performers.———DAM: 539 WRRPA 15 ZAD “Diep Hen” – Kaasboer x 810 A powerful Kaasboer × Sablon (810) hen combining two of the most dominant European winning families. Directly linked to: “Romano” (BELG 13-0946) – Kaasboer line, full brother to 0057 (2x 1st prizes) “Cottage Cheese” (ZA 13-3706) – granddaughter of “810”, from a click pair with multiple top-performing offspring Strong Kaasboer foundation via “Gaston” & “Grote Witpen”, both proven super breeders This dam line is known for: Exceptional breeding consistency Multiple winners produced for GJT Lofts Strong in-hand quality with perfect balance and vitality.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	johanbekker	R2,000	Winning Bid: R5,500
26th April 2026 16:43	LOT 25 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 8969 ZA 15 WRRPA -WINNER HOTSPOT 1 DINOKENG 2016. — SIRE: 6056851 BELG 12 “SMITS KOK – P1600194”. FATHER TO MANY WINNERS FOR GJT LOFTS. 6 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK AFTER WINNING. THIS COCK RACED AT CARNIVAL CITY. DNA PROFILED. ——-DAM: 24804 ZA 08 “DAUGHTER 810” DIRECT DAUGHTER 810 THIS HEN WAS SWOPED FOR ONE OF THE BEST DEALS EVER BY GJT. THIS HEN PRODUCED THE MOST WINNERS FOR GJT AS A NON KAASBOER. 8 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK. HER CHILDREN ALREADY PRODUCED WINNERS. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	max	R5,000	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:43	LOT 25 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 8969 ZA 15 WRRPA -WINNER HOTSPOT 1 DINOKENG 2016. — SIRE: 6056851 BELG 12 “SMITS KOK – P1600194”. FATHER TO MANY WINNERS FOR GJT LOFTS. 6 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK AFTER WINNING. THIS COCK RACED AT CARNIVAL CITY. DNA PROFILED. ——-DAM: 24804 ZA 08 “DAUGHTER 810” DIRECT DAUGHTER 810 THIS HEN WAS SWOPED FOR ONE OF THE BEST DEALS EVER BY GJT. THIS HEN PRODUCED THE MOST WINNERS FOR GJT AS A NON KAASBOER. 8 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK. HER CHILDREN ALREADY PRODUCED WINNERS. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	captain	R4,500	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:43	LOT 25 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 8969 ZA 15 WRRPA -WINNER HOTSPOT 1 DINOKENG 2016. — SIRE: 6056851 BELG 12 “SMITS KOK – P1600194”. FATHER TO MANY WINNERS FOR GJT LOFTS. 6 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK AFTER WINNING. THIS COCK RACED AT CARNIVAL CITY. DNA PROFILED. ——-DAM: 24804 ZA 08 “DAUGHTER 810” DIRECT DAUGHTER 810 THIS HEN WAS SWOPED FOR ONE OF THE BEST DEALS EVER BY GJT. THIS HEN PRODUCED THE MOST WINNERS FOR GJT AS A NON KAASBOER. 8 CHILDREN ALREADY IN STOCK. HER CHILDREN ALREADY PRODUCED WINNERS. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	max	R4,000	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:29	LOT 27 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 962 ZA 20 GJT -CAPETOWN INTERNATIONAL ONE DAY LOFT ENTRY HOTSPOT 1 13TH————SIRE:397 ZA 18 GJT .Strain: Nr1 X 1009 / Smuts/810 Color: BB This cock is bred out of the 2 best lines of Kaasboer we ever owned. One side Nr 1 Pair which bred Numerous winners and 3rd Place SAPIR 2014 on a very hard Race. The other side is the 1009 Line – This is now one of our best lines. 1009 himself flew Super a 3 x union winner , best bird and were just a super racer.————-DAM:359 ZA 18 GJT .Alias “1009 Heidi” Strain: Kaasboer/Chipo X Kaasboer Color: BB Sire Super brother 1009 Dam The famous daughter of Heidi..super Kaasboer 7th Best Bird PSWU COMBINE 2020 This hen flew club positions 1st Bloemfontein 365km 4th PSWU COMBINE 3rd Reddersburg 421km 4th PSWU COMBINE 4th Bloemfontein 2 365km 35th PSWU COMBINE 6th Springfontein 498km 7th PSWU .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	janbarnard04gmail-com	R1,000	Winning Bid: R1,000
26th April 2026 16:28	LOT 20 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 5907 ZA 18 GPU -THIS COCK BRED 4TH FINAL SAIPR WINNING R100 000.00 . THIS COCK IS FULL BROTHER TO “LARCO” (8TH DINOKENG FINAL , HE HAS ALSO BRED A PIGEON FOR HENDRIK AND DANIEL MOLLER WHO HAS WON RACE 5 CARNIVAL ONE DAY LOFTS 2022).——-SIRE 6245857 BE 14 – KAASBOER Cock Direct Kaasboer-bred performance cock, proven both in breeding and racing. ✔ Father to 10th Klapmuts One Loft Race (Cape Town 2018) ✔ Bred from the very best of the Kaasboer x Gaston Van De Wouwer foundation Grandson of: “BIG JOHN” – top breeder, brother to “KIM” 1st National Gueret “CELIEN” – legendary Kaasboer hen, mother of “KIM” Backed by elite Kaasboer legends: “KLEINE BLAUWE” – “GROTE BLAUW” – “TRNADO BRASIL” – “ASKE 1000/1000” 👉 A genetically loaded sire, combining National-winning bloodlines with proven OLR performance.———–DAM 6357873 BE 10 – KAASBOER Hen (Kiran Line) Exceptional imported Kaasboer Kiran hen, regarded as: 🔥 “Nr 1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa” Outstanding breeder: ✔ Mother to 7-time winner (3 seasons) ✔ Mother to SAPIR 3rd place (2014) ✔ Producer of multiple winners for GJT Magalies ✔ 5 direct children retained for stock Imported via PIPA, DNA profiled, and known to breed winners with any cock she is paired to. Granddam line includes: Grandmother to 33 winners Strong Bart Henderickx influence blended into Kaasboer base 👉 A super breeder hen of the highest class, combining consistency, versatility, and elite European genetics.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	johanbekker	R5,000	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:27	LOT 20 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 5907 ZA 18 GPU -THIS COCK BRED 4TH FINAL SAIPR WINNING R100 000.00 . THIS COCK IS FULL BROTHER TO “LARCO” (8TH DINOKENG FINAL , HE HAS ALSO BRED A PIGEON FOR HENDRIK AND DANIEL MOLLER WHO HAS WON RACE 5 CARNIVAL ONE DAY LOFTS 2022).——-SIRE 6245857 BE 14 – KAASBOER Cock Direct Kaasboer-bred performance cock, proven both in breeding and racing. ✔ Father to 10th Klapmuts One Loft Race (Cape Town 2018) ✔ Bred from the very best of the Kaasboer x Gaston Van De Wouwer foundation Grandson of: “BIG JOHN” – top breeder, brother to “KIM” 1st National Gueret “CELIEN” – legendary Kaasboer hen, mother of “KIM” Backed by elite Kaasboer legends: “KLEINE BLAUWE” – “GROTE BLAUW” – “TRNADO BRASIL” – “ASKE 1000/1000” 👉 A genetically loaded sire, combining National-winning bloodlines with proven OLR performance.———–DAM 6357873 BE 10 – KAASBOER Hen (Kiran Line) Exceptional imported Kaasboer Kiran hen, regarded as: 🔥 “Nr 1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa” Outstanding breeder: ✔ Mother to 7-time winner (3 seasons) ✔ Mother to SAPIR 3rd place (2014) ✔ Producer of multiple winners for GJT Magalies ✔ 5 direct children retained for stock Imported via PIPA, DNA profiled, and known to breed winners with any cock she is paired to. Granddam line includes: Grandmother to 33 winners Strong Bart Henderickx influence blended into Kaasboer base 👉 A super breeder hen of the highest class, combining consistency, versatility, and elite European genetics.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	captain	R4,500	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:27	LOT 20 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 5907 ZA 18 GPU -THIS COCK BRED 4TH FINAL SAIPR WINNING R100 000.00 . THIS COCK IS FULL BROTHER TO “LARCO” (8TH DINOKENG FINAL , HE HAS ALSO BRED A PIGEON FOR HENDRIK AND DANIEL MOLLER WHO HAS WON RACE 5 CARNIVAL ONE DAY LOFTS 2022).——-SIRE 6245857 BE 14 – KAASBOER Cock Direct Kaasboer-bred performance cock, proven both in breeding and racing. ✔ Father to 10th Klapmuts One Loft Race (Cape Town 2018) ✔ Bred from the very best of the Kaasboer x Gaston Van De Wouwer foundation Grandson of: “BIG JOHN” – top breeder, brother to “KIM” 1st National Gueret “CELIEN” – legendary Kaasboer hen, mother of “KIM” Backed by elite Kaasboer legends: “KLEINE BLAUWE” – “GROTE BLAUW” – “TRNADO BRASIL” – “ASKE 1000/1000” 👉 A genetically loaded sire, combining National-winning bloodlines with proven OLR performance.———–DAM 6357873 BE 10 – KAASBOER Hen (Kiran Line) Exceptional imported Kaasboer Kiran hen, regarded as: 🔥 “Nr 1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa” Outstanding breeder: ✔ Mother to 7-time winner (3 seasons) ✔ Mother to SAPIR 3rd place (2014) ✔ Producer of multiple winners for GJT Magalies ✔ 5 direct children retained for stock Imported via PIPA, DNA profiled, and known to breed winners with any cock she is paired to. Granddam line includes: Grandmother to 33 winners Strong Bart Henderickx influence blended into Kaasboer base 👉 A super breeder hen of the highest class, combining consistency, versatility, and elite European genetics.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	johanbekker	R4,000	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 16:01	.LOT 1 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 3687 ZA 17 TRPFD -A TRPF winner and full sister to the renowned “Koning Kaas”, she represents proven winning genetics at the highest level.————SIRE: The legendary “Gold Gouda P1600189” (0078 DAN 11 023) – regarded as the No.1 Kaasboer cock in South Africa. A phenomenal breeder, sire to 7 winners, including 3rd SAPIR 2014, and multiple other top performers. Bred from the famous “Koe Oog” x “Bont Duiven”, two elite Kaasboer pigeons from M.C. Hansen’s Danish stud. DNA profiled.————–DAM: The exceptional “Kiran P1600177” (6357873 BELG 10) – considered the No.1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa. A super breeder and producer of winners, including a 7-time winner across three seasons and 3rd SAPIR 2014. Known for breeding top pigeons with multiple cocks. Imported via PIPA and DNA profiled.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	johan-jooste	R5,000	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 15:59	.LOT 1 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 3687 ZA 17 TRPFD -A TRPF winner and full sister to the renowned “Koning Kaas”, she represents proven winning genetics at the highest level.————SIRE: The legendary “Gold Gouda P1600189” (0078 DAN 11 023) – regarded as the No.1 Kaasboer cock in South Africa. A phenomenal breeder, sire to 7 winners, including 3rd SAPIR 2014, and multiple other top performers. Bred from the famous “Koe Oog” x “Bont Duiven”, two elite Kaasboer pigeons from M.C. Hansen’s Danish stud. DNA profiled.————–DAM: The exceptional “Kiran P1600177” (6357873 BELG 10) – considered the No.1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa. A super breeder and producer of winners, including a 7-time winner across three seasons and 3rd SAPIR 2014. Known for breeding top pigeons with multiple cocks. Imported via PIPA and DNA profiled.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	3290	R4,500	Winning Bid: R5,000
26th April 2026 15:59	.LOT 1 SAIPR BREEDING STATION – 3687 ZA 17 TRPFD -A TRPF winner and full sister to the renowned “Koning Kaas”, she represents proven winning genetics at the highest level.————SIRE: The legendary “Gold Gouda P1600189” (0078 DAN 11 023) – regarded as the No.1 Kaasboer cock in South Africa. A phenomenal breeder, sire to 7 winners, including 3rd SAPIR 2014, and multiple other top performers. Bred from the famous “Koe Oog” x “Bont Duiven”, two elite Kaasboer pigeons from M.C. Hansen’s Danish stud. DNA profiled.————–DAM: The exceptional “Kiran P1600177” (6357873 BELG 10) – considered the No.1 Kaasboer hen in South Africa. A super breeder and producer of winners, including a 7-time winner across three seasons and 3rd SAPIR 2014. Known for breeding top pigeons with multiple cocks. Imported via PIPA and DNA profiled.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	johan-jooste	R4,500	Winning Bid: R5,000

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