.LOT 4 SUNSET AUCTION –ZA 20 PWDU 9070 HEN-SCORED 6 X TIMES IN CLUB 2021. WINNER 2022. SCORED 5X TIMES CLUB 2022 .SCORED 4X CLUB 2023 (3/22/30/34) .SCORED 3 TIMES CLUB 2024.————SIRE:3361 ZA OPDK 16. PIET STEENKAMP.———DAM:02860 ZA 16 Colour: BB Du Preez&Deetlefs WINNER. SIRE WERE GAUTENG COMBINE WINNER 1ST/2ND/4TH/5TH/23RD/48TH COMBINE .SUPER RACER AND BREEDER FATHER AND GRANDFATHER OF 17 WINNERS.CHRIS X BLES CHILDREN WIN 5 COMBINES,AND DESCENDENTS BRED 59 WINNERS.3 BROTHERS AND SISTER BRED ONE LOFTS RACE WINNERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

SKU: 50908
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R2,000

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - SUNSET AUCTION - FROM 2 MAY TO SUNDAY 4 MAY 2025 (ENDING FROM 16:30)

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Highest bidder was: Brad

Date	Bid	User	Auto
4th May 2025 16:17	R2,000	Brad
1st May 2025 14:15	Auction started

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4th November 2026 22:05	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-8739 -6TH RACE 6 EQUAL WINNER , FLEW 3 X TOP 100–21ST GREEN JACKET———SIRE:9079. KEVIN. 36TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025.———–DAM:5869 “SIMBINE”. 4TH BROWN JACKET AFRIKAPRO 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R8,000	Current bid: R8,000
4th November 2026 22:04	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-8739 -6TH RACE 6 EQUAL WINNER , FLEW 3 X TOP 100–21ST GREEN JACKET———SIRE:9079. KEVIN. 36TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025.———–DAM:5869 “SIMBINE”. 4TH BROWN JACKET AFRIKAPRO 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	kevin	R7,500	Current bid: R8,000
4th November 2026 22:04	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-8739 -6TH RACE 6 EQUAL WINNER , FLEW 3 X TOP 100–21ST GREEN JACKET———SIRE:9079. KEVIN. 36TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025.———–DAM:5869 “SIMBINE”. 4TH BROWN JACKET AFRIKAPRO 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R7,000	Current bid: R8,000
4th November 2026 22:03	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-8739 -6TH RACE 6 EQUAL WINNER , FLEW 3 X TOP 100–21ST GREEN JACKET———SIRE:9079. KEVIN. 36TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025.———–DAM:5869 “SIMBINE”. 4TH BROWN JACKET AFRIKAPRO 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	kevin	R6,500	Current bid: R8,000
4th November 2026 22:03	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-8739 -6TH RACE 6 EQUAL WINNER , FLEW 3 X TOP 100–21ST GREEN JACKET———SIRE:9079. KEVIN. 36TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2025.———–DAM:5869 “SIMBINE”. 4TH BROWN JACKET AFRIKAPRO 2025.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	holid	R6,000	Current bid: R8,000
4th November 2026 21:59	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R8,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R8,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R8,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R7,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R7,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R6,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:58	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R6,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R5,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R5,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R4,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R4,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	gys-louw	R3,500	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:57	ZZ..LOT 130 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Dr. de Weerd/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7303 -FULL BROTHER “PHOENIX” SOLD FOR R350 000.00 ON AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 2026 – “PHOENIX” FLEW 12TH FINAL AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE: TPA-25-999 — “95 Red” Bred by Pigeon Palace from Derek Walsh’s “Special Kittel” and the proven “95 Hen,” combining Dirk van den Bulck Kittel and Heremans–Van Dyck bloodlines. Full brother to the sire of the pigeon placed 10th in the 2026 Victoria Falls World Challenge final endurance race. Closely related to “Lara,” the AfrikaPro 2025 Blue Jacket overall ace and Brown Jacket long-distance ace, and “Fiero,” 2nd in the final.————– DAM: ZA-18-82875 — “Super Twilight” An outstanding Pigeon Palace racing and breeding hen. Mother of several winners, including “Fiero,” 2nd in the AfrikaPro 2025 final over 601 km. “Super Twilight” was also co-winner of Race 9 over 500 km. A daughter of “Mirage,” a three-time winner and Gauteng Combine winner, and “Dam Super Twilight,” a top racer bred from a proven pairing. Her pedigree brings together the Golden TT, Twilight–Turbo Tom, Houben and Spritzy lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	holid	R3,000	Current bid: R8,500
4th November 2026 21:42	LOT 85 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills A-ZA-25-MOUN-163 -FLEW 3 X TOP 100 , 25TH GREEN JACKET——–SIRE:NL 23 9630891.Alias “NEW UNSEEN FORCES” Strain: BEST OF VAN DEN BULCK Color: BLUE BAR PIED NEW UNSEEN FORCES VERY UNIQUE SPECIAL BREEDING 11 X SUPER PAIR “GOEDE RODE” X “OLYMPIC ROSITA” IN HIS PEDIGREE.———-DAM:ZA 18 MOUN 706.Alias “AVANTE” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: MEALY “AVANTE” ZA18 MOUN 706 ONE OF OUR STAR BREEDERS DAM TO MULTIPLE WINNERS WITH DIFFERENT COCKS 1ST GAUTENG COMBINE SPRINGFONTEIN 570KM 1118MPM AGAINST 5000 PLUS PIGEONS 400 MEMBERS.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	gertswart	R6,500	Current bid: R6,500
4th November 2026 21:29	ZZ..LOT 173 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Jaco&Danie/Exclusive Pigeon Paradise-ZA-25-JKL-26 –	neo	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500

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