LOT 10 FERDIE COETZER ZA 21 CRU 1619 ——Medium size beautiful BBP cock . His pedigree consist of ” Best Birds “.ZA 15 VNRF was the overall Best Bird in the Federation . ZA 12/19662 bred the best overall pigeon in the Pretoria Combine 2016 as well as the best middle distance pigeon 2016 Pretoria Combine . The ” Fenomeen 3100 ” was one of the all time great breeders in the RSA . He sired a 7 x winner and 2 x 5 time winners . ZA 21 CRU 1619 is a genetic freak . This is a high concentration of the best Spritzy / Blou Bul and Lou Wouter pigeons .SEE PEDIGREE!!!

SKU: 40697
Availability: InStock

Winning Bid: R1,500

Item condition: New

Category: ACTIVE AUCTION - FERDIE COETZER - FROM 11 APRIL TO SUNDAY 14 APRIL 2024 (ENDS FROM 14:00)

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Highest bidder was: bennie

Date	Bid	User
14th April 2024 14:22	R1,500	bennie
13th April 2024 9:33	R1,000	Lorenzo Doyle
11th April 2024 10:19	Auction started

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5th November 2026 22:12	LOT 50 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Molteno Loft & Alwyn Bester-ZA-25-ABL-2216 —-HALF SIBLING TO “PALACE PRINCE” SIRE TO “LARA” AND “FIERO”. SUPER RACERS AFRIKAPRO 2025. “LARA” SOLD ON PIPA FOR 112 000.00 EUROS.——-Full sibling to FIVE STAR (GREEN JACKET WINNER 2023 WINNING $50 000.00) and many more winners.————–SIRE: 63390 GB 18 V. Alias “KITTEL BOLT” Strain: Dirk Van Den Bulck Color: Red Pied The winning striking rate of 63390 with his click hen 82930 is 80%. Here are just a few of their children: ZA ABL 531 2021 “Dynasty”Grand Averages Winner Dinokeng OLR 2022 1st ZA ABL 343 2021, PWDU winner Verkeerdevlei 2022 ZA ABL 344 2021, R100 000 Crusaders breeder stakes winner 2022 ———— DAM: 82930 ZA 18. One of my favourite hens in the breeding loft. Bred from R80 000 son to direct daughter of “810”Sablon cock.. DIRECT DAUGHTER OF FAMOUS “JBM’S GIRL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	robert12345gmail-com	R22,500	Current bid: R22,500
5th November 2026 22:12	LOT 50 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Molteno Loft & Alwyn Bester-ZA-25-ABL-2216 —-HALF SIBLING TO “PALACE PRINCE” SIRE TO “LARA” AND “FIERO”. SUPER RACERS AFRIKAPRO 2025. “LARA” SOLD ON PIPA FOR 112 000.00 EUROS.——-Full sibling to FIVE STAR (GREEN JACKET WINNER 2023 WINNING $50 000.00) and many more winners.————–SIRE: 63390 GB 18 V. Alias “KITTEL BOLT” Strain: Dirk Van Den Bulck Color: Red Pied The winning striking rate of 63390 with his click hen 82930 is 80%. Here are just a few of their children: ZA ABL 531 2021 “Dynasty”Grand Averages Winner Dinokeng OLR 2022 1st ZA ABL 343 2021, PWDU winner Verkeerdevlei 2022 ZA ABL 344 2021, R100 000 Crusaders breeder stakes winner 2022 ———— DAM: 82930 ZA 18. One of my favourite hens in the breeding loft. Bred from R80 000 son to direct daughter of “810”Sablon cock.. DIRECT DAUGHTER OF FAMOUS “JBM’S GIRL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	fishing	R22,000	Current bid: R22,500
5th November 2026 22:12	LOT 50 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Molteno Loft & Alwyn Bester-ZA-25-ABL-2216 —-HALF SIBLING TO “PALACE PRINCE” SIRE TO “LARA” AND “FIERO”. SUPER RACERS AFRIKAPRO 2025. “LARA” SOLD ON PIPA FOR 112 000.00 EUROS.——-Full sibling to FIVE STAR (GREEN JACKET WINNER 2023 WINNING $50 000.00) and many more winners.————–SIRE: 63390 GB 18 V. Alias “KITTEL BOLT” Strain: Dirk Van Den Bulck Color: Red Pied The winning striking rate of 63390 with his click hen 82930 is 80%. Here are just a few of their children: ZA ABL 531 2021 “Dynasty”Grand Averages Winner Dinokeng OLR 2022 1st ZA ABL 343 2021, PWDU winner Verkeerdevlei 2022 ZA ABL 344 2021, R100 000 Crusaders breeder stakes winner 2022 ———— DAM: 82930 ZA 18. One of my favourite hens in the breeding loft. Bred from R80 000 son to direct daughter of “810”Sablon cock.. DIRECT DAUGHTER OF FAMOUS “JBM’S GIRL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	robert12345gmail-com	R21,500	Current bid: R22,500
5th November 2026 22:12	LOT 50 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Molteno Loft & Alwyn Bester-ZA-25-ABL-2216 —-HALF SIBLING TO “PALACE PRINCE” SIRE TO “LARA” AND “FIERO”. SUPER RACERS AFRIKAPRO 2025. “LARA” SOLD ON PIPA FOR 112 000.00 EUROS.——-Full sibling to FIVE STAR (GREEN JACKET WINNER 2023 WINNING $50 000.00) and many more winners.————–SIRE: 63390 GB 18 V. Alias “KITTEL BOLT” Strain: Dirk Van Den Bulck Color: Red Pied The winning striking rate of 63390 with his click hen 82930 is 80%. Here are just a few of their children: ZA ABL 531 2021 “Dynasty”Grand Averages Winner Dinokeng OLR 2022 1st ZA ABL 343 2021, PWDU winner Verkeerdevlei 2022 ZA ABL 344 2021, R100 000 Crusaders breeder stakes winner 2022 ———— DAM: 82930 ZA 18. One of my favourite hens in the breeding loft. Bred from R80 000 son to direct daughter of “810”Sablon cock.. DIRECT DAUGHTER OF FAMOUS “JBM’S GIRL”. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!	fishing	R21,000	Current bid: R22,500
5th November 2026 21:44	LOT 87 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin I-ZA-25-GPU-2921 -SIRE:11514. SUPER RACER FOR KEVIN KITCHENBRAND.———-DAM:ZA 24 JWDK 4101. PIGEON PALACE. BRED DIRECT OUT OF “SPECIAL KITTEL” X “95 HEN” FULL SISTER TO SUPER BREEDERS OF ALWYN BESTER “63390” AND “63384”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	cyril	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
5th November 2026 21:44	ZZ..LOT 125 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Bredenhand – Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7305 -6TH RACE 7 EQUAL WINNER———SIRE: GBB-22-93777 — “Marvelous Max” Derek Walsh \| Blue Bar White Flight An exceptional breeding cock and full brother to “Miracle Lady.” Bred from “Super Blue Max” × “Golden Blauw Lady,” he combines the influential Di Caprio and Leo Heremans bloodlines. His pedigree records an outstanding family of Federation winners against fields exceeding 3,000 pigeons, together with leading National performances. A proven breeding background carrying both speed and consistency.———— DAM: PRPC-19-4344 — “Derby Hen” Pigeon Palace \| Smokey A special hen with superb handling qualities and a proven breeding record, producing winners with two different cocks in just two years. She is a half-sister to the 2019 SANPO Gold Medal All-Round winner, also credited with National Ace and short-distance Gold Medal honours against 2,000-plus pigeons. Bred from “50” × “Dam SANPO Gold,” she carries Twilight, Turbo Magic and Marieke bloodlines. When paired to “180 Aelbrecht,” a son of Golden Carelly, she bred two top-10 Ace pigeons at Dinokeng Lofts.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	bergmossel	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
5th November 2026 21:33	LOT 97 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Herbots Family/Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7222 -19TH RACE 4 EQUAL WINNER——–SIRE: BELG 20 6243189 “KATALIS NEW KIM”. KAASBOER. BROTHER X NIECE NEW KIM BOUGHT FROM PIPA. INBRED BROTHER AND NIECE TO 1ST NAT ACE BIRD “NEW KIM”. FATHER IS FULL BROTHER TO NEW KIM.———DAM:ZA-17-28777 H ‘Super 777′ van Loon.Superbreeding hen !!! Gold medal Ace PWDU old birds ’19. 3rd Ace short distance & 7th best Yearling union 18. 28777 aka the ’10 min pair hen’. Dam to great champions like 3047/21 winner by 10 minutes! The 10 minute pair bred more than 10 winners to date!SEE PEDIGREE!!!	bergmossel	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
5th November 2026 21:27	LOT 43 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Radford, Puma & Best Drive-ZA-25-OP-10224 -2ND BLUE JACKET BEFORE THE FINAL , FLEW 2 X TOP 100———–SIRE: ZA 22 RAW 1 — Alfons Klaas, Blue Bar. Son of “Maximilian” (DV 12 0507 668) and the winning hen “5” (ZA 13 SANPO 11929). Maximilian is a brother to Maxi, Konsi and Cheetah, credited in the pedigree with 13th, 86th and 197th places in the SAMDPR final. His parents are “Mr. Sun City” and “Blue Power,” dam of Maxi, 13th in the 2011 SAMDPR final. The sire combines these Sun City performance lines with “5,” a daughter of “Alfi” and “Blue Lady.”————- DAM: ZA 23 RADR 21 — Alfons Klaas, Blue Bar. Daughter of “Pienkring” (DV 13 0507 1426) and the winning hen “5” (ZA 13 SANPO 11929). Pienkring was bred from “Mr Bond” and the Drapa hen “Das Juwelchen” and was purchased from Alfons Klaas through PIPA. On her maternal side, the dam carries “Alfi,” a son of “Leonardo,” paired with “Blue Lady,” a daughter of “Der Schnelle” and “Alica.” She shares her mother, “5,” with the sire, making Stardust a half-brother × half-sister pairing that concentrates this winning hen’s bloodline.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	lambie-lofts	R3,500	Current bid: R3,500
5th November 2026 20:57	LOT 80 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Pigeon Palace I-ZA-25-TPA-7373 -SIRE: ZA-18-82880 — “Double Combine” A proven Pigeon Palace breeding cock, bred from “Number One” and “Linnie.” His daughter, “Julia” 1955/21, won the 2022 Africa Pro final over 601 km. Two of his offspring placed 26th and 57th in the 2023 Africa Pro final. His breeding record also includes 2nd Ace and 3rd final at Marlbank OLR over 700 km in 2024, as well as further Africa Pro and SAIPR successes. A producer of successful racers with strong one-loft racing credentials.————- DAM: BPFD-17-1257 — “Super 57” An outstanding racing and breeding hen combining Bosua and Aelbrecht bloodlines. A five-time winner, she won the Laingsburg Federation race by nine minutes and bred two federation winners in one nest. She is a sister to “8781,” a double winner, and the highly rated “0629/18.” Her brother “83” was a double section winner, Ace Pigeon and best bird in the West Section. Bred from the “Bosua Cock” BPFD-13-1398 and the “Aelbrecht Hen” GPU-13-6646, she brings a strong family record of racing performance and breeding success.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jacques-p	R5,500	Current bid: R5,500
5th November 2026 20:57	LOT 80 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Pigeon Palace I-ZA-25-TPA-7373 -SIRE: ZA-18-82880 — “Double Combine” A proven Pigeon Palace breeding cock, bred from “Number One” and “Linnie.” His daughter, “Julia” 1955/21, won the 2022 Africa Pro final over 601 km. Two of his offspring placed 26th and 57th in the 2023 Africa Pro final. His breeding record also includes 2nd Ace and 3rd final at Marlbank OLR over 700 km in 2024, as well as further Africa Pro and SAIPR successes. A producer of successful racers with strong one-loft racing credentials.————- DAM: BPFD-17-1257 — “Super 57” An outstanding racing and breeding hen combining Bosua and Aelbrecht bloodlines. A five-time winner, she won the Laingsburg Federation race by nine minutes and bred two federation winners in one nest. She is a sister to “8781,” a double winner, and the highly rated “0629/18.” Her brother “83” was a double section winner, Ace Pigeon and best bird in the West Section. Bred from the “Bosua Cock” BPFD-13-1398 and the “Aelbrecht Hen” GPU-13-6646, she brings a strong family record of racing performance and breeding success.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	gys-louw	R5,000	Current bid: R5,500
5th November 2026 20:57	LOT 80 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Pigeon Palace I-ZA-25-TPA-7373 -SIRE: ZA-18-82880 — “Double Combine” A proven Pigeon Palace breeding cock, bred from “Number One” and “Linnie.” His daughter, “Julia” 1955/21, won the 2022 Africa Pro final over 601 km. Two of his offspring placed 26th and 57th in the 2023 Africa Pro final. His breeding record also includes 2nd Ace and 3rd final at Marlbank OLR over 700 km in 2024, as well as further Africa Pro and SAIPR successes. A producer of successful racers with strong one-loft racing credentials.————- DAM: BPFD-17-1257 — “Super 57” An outstanding racing and breeding hen combining Bosua and Aelbrecht bloodlines. A five-time winner, she won the Laingsburg Federation race by nine minutes and bred two federation winners in one nest. She is a sister to “8781,” a double winner, and the highly rated “0629/18.” Her brother “83” was a double section winner, Ace Pigeon and best bird in the West Section. Bred from the “Bosua Cock” BPFD-13-1398 and the “Aelbrecht Hen” GPU-13-6646, she brings a strong family record of racing performance and breeding success.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jacques-p	R4,500	Current bid: R5,500
5th November 2026 20:50	LOT 74 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Karoo Afrika Syndicate-ZA-25-VSDK-0673 -20TH GREEN JACKET ———SIRE: ZA-21-NOK-254. Rous stock cock from ZA-15-2284, a two-time winner and NEC Ace in 2017, and 9316/19, a six-time winner. The pedigree identifies him as the loft’s number-one stock cock.————- DAM: ZA-22-BPF-1720. Rous/Parsons blue bar pied hen, described as the best breeding hen in her first stock year in 2023. From 196520/20 and BPFD 4763/15, combining Slime Putterie and Herman ancestry.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	jacques-p	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
5th November 2026 20:40	LOT 43 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Radford, Puma & Best Drive-ZA-25-OP-10224 -2ND BLUE JACKET BEFORE THE FINAL , FLEW 2 X TOP 100———–SIRE: ZA 22 RAW 1 — Alfons Klaas, Blue Bar. Son of “Maximilian” (DV 12 0507 668) and the winning hen “5” (ZA 13 SANPO 11929). Maximilian is a brother to Maxi, Konsi and Cheetah, credited in the pedigree with 13th, 86th and 197th places in the SAMDPR final. His parents are “Mr. Sun City” and “Blue Power,” dam of Maxi, 13th in the 2011 SAMDPR final. The sire combines these Sun City performance lines with “5,” a daughter of “Alfi” and “Blue Lady.”————- DAM: ZA 23 RADR 21 — Alfons Klaas, Blue Bar. Daughter of “Pienkring” (DV 13 0507 1426) and the winning hen “5” (ZA 13 SANPO 11929). Pienkring was bred from “Mr Bond” and the Drapa hen “Das Juwelchen” and was purchased from Alfons Klaas through PIPA. On her maternal side, the dam carries “Alfi,” a son of “Leonardo,” paired with “Blue Lady,” a daughter of “Der Schnelle” and “Alica.” She shares her mother, “5,” with the sire, making Stardust a half-brother × half-sister pairing that concentrates this winning hen’s bloodline.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	proteahokke	R3,000	Current bid: R3,500
5th November 2026 20:38	ZZ..LOT 155 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Loft Einkamerer-ZA-25-LOFT EINKAMERER-116 -SIRE: SRSP-20-707. Sonskyn 2021 Ace and 4th 782 km final. From Black Loner 924 SRSP 20 and Page 1572 SRPV 18, carrying the Einkamerer stock family.——- DAM: ZA-23-EIN-73. Einkamerer hen from Clapton SRSPV 0783/17 and Balloneke NL-13-1395514, combining the loft’s South African and Dutch stock lines.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	lizzyvan	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
5th November 2026 20:31	ZZ..LOT 135 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-Kevin II-ZA-25-GPU-8750 -SIRE: BE-24-4174080. Son of Grizzle Best Kittel BE-21-4202177 and Sister Best Kittel BE-17-1017426. —— DAM: 4100/24. Kevin hen from Son Grizzle Best Kittel BE-23-4181642 and JWDK 4101, the hen described as a sister to GB 63384 and GB 63390.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	mike	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
5th November 2026 20:17	ZZ..LOT 134 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 3-KDK Racing/A-Delta Syndicate-(ZA)-(26)-TURFPET-12622 -SIRE: ZA-17-TRPF-12692. TNT grizzle cock, brother to a SAMDPR car winner and described as a successful racer. From The Bronze Cock GPU 11204/15 and Magic Lady TRPF 21121/15.———– DAM: BE-25-3095565. Velghe blue bar hen, daughter of three-time winner PWDU 2604/21, a son of Turbo Kittel, and Miss Blizzard BE-24-4185011. The maternal side concentrates Blizzard King Kittel through a father-to-sister pairing.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	kittel2	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
5th November 2026 20:09	.LOT 3 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 23 KPUD 236 – “KGALAGADI KING” Painter Putterie Cock Bbwf This is one of our top a racing cocks over the last 3 years. A multiple winner, he has delivered Top 1% Union places on short, middle and long distance. His halfsister sold on Toppigeon for R44k last Sunday. The highlight was last year when he flew 3rd Gauteng Province & 7th National from Kgalagadi on a very challenging hot day where fewer than 70 pigeons were clocked on the day in the whole country. Direct son of the SUPERBREEDER “THE PINNACLE” (408/20), a direct son of the legendary “SPRINGBOK” and producer of winners in 4 different lofts. His dam, “OLD JOE G/DAUGHTER” (12850/18), is a granddaughter of Joe Gomes’ legendary “OLD JOE” – a 2 X winner for Jules Jurgens and an immediate success in our stock loft, producing a 3 X Winner and the 1st YB Ace Pigeon Vanderbijlpark for Bennie Smit. This cock has a super throat and eye .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	elephant	R10,000	Winning Bid: R10,000
5th November 2026 20:08	.LOT 1 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4691 – “REDGINA” Painter Hen Recessive Red A RECESSIVE RED hen directly out of the great “TATJANA” when mated to her half-brother “LUNO”. Two of children of “TATJANA” sold for R68k and R44k on Toppigeon during the last 2 weeks. This half-brother x half-sister mating, where both the cock and the hen are out of “ELUSIVE”, caused the recessive red gene to appear after an absence of 7 generations spanning nearly 40 years. “ELUSIVE” (Check colour) is out of “THE KUDU HEN” (Check colour), who was out of “DIE KOEI” (Check colour), who was out of “LEMOENOOG HEN” (Check colour), who was out of “BATTERYTJIE” (Chwf colour) , who was out of “DIE MARAIS HEN” (Chwf colour), who was out of “ROOIJAN” from Chris Marais Sr – a recessive red son of the famous “WARMBAD” of Chris Marais Sr. The great “TATJANA” is OVERALL BEST BIRD IN SA FOR 2024! 3 X SANPO Gold Medal Winner, 3 X SANPO Silver Medal Winner, 3 X Union Winner, 7 X Club Winner, Combine Winner & 5 X Top 10 Combine. 1st Overall National Ace Pigeon All Distance, Middle Distance & Yearlings, 2nd Overall National Ace Pigeon Long Distance. Her mother is our great Painter Putterie hen “ELUSIVE”; her father is “BEST OF CARELLY”. “TATJANA” is also mother to “NEW LORRAINE” ZA 25 KPU 1261 who is currently ranked 9th National Ace Pigeon YB and who flew 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 4th & 9th Union during 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	painter	R25,000	Winning Bid: R25,000
5th November 2026 20:08	.LOT 1 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 26 KPU 4691 – “REDGINA” Painter Hen Recessive Red A RECESSIVE RED hen directly out of the great “TATJANA” when mated to her half-brother “LUNO”. Two of children of “TATJANA” sold for R68k and R44k on Toppigeon during the last 2 weeks. This half-brother x half-sister mating, where both the cock and the hen are out of “ELUSIVE”, caused the recessive red gene to appear after an absence of 7 generations spanning nearly 40 years. “ELUSIVE” (Check colour) is out of “THE KUDU HEN” (Check colour), who was out of “DIE KOEI” (Check colour), who was out of “LEMOENOOG HEN” (Check colour), who was out of “BATTERYTJIE” (Chwf colour) , who was out of “DIE MARAIS HEN” (Chwf colour), who was out of “ROOIJAN” from Chris Marais Sr – a recessive red son of the famous “WARMBAD” of Chris Marais Sr. The great “TATJANA” is OVERALL BEST BIRD IN SA FOR 2024! 3 X SANPO Gold Medal Winner, 3 X SANPO Silver Medal Winner, 3 X Union Winner, 7 X Club Winner, Combine Winner & 5 X Top 10 Combine. 1st Overall National Ace Pigeon All Distance, Middle Distance & Yearlings, 2nd Overall National Ace Pigeon Long Distance. Her mother is our great Painter Putterie hen “ELUSIVE”; her father is “BEST OF CARELLY”. “TATJANA” is also mother to “NEW LORRAINE” ZA 25 KPU 1261 who is currently ranked 9th National Ace Pigeon YB and who flew 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 4th & 9th Union during 2026.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	pieter4	R25,000	Winning Bid: R25,000
5th November 2026 20:05	.LOT 3 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 23 KPUD 236 – “KGALAGADI KING” Painter Putterie Cock Bbwf This is one of our top a racing cocks over the last 3 years. A multiple winner, he has delivered Top 1% Union places on short, middle and long distance. His halfsister sold on Toppigeon for R44k last Sunday. The highlight was last year when he flew 3rd Gauteng Province & 7th National from Kgalagadi on a very challenging hot day where fewer than 70 pigeons were clocked on the day in the whole country. Direct son of the SUPERBREEDER “THE PINNACLE” (408/20), a direct son of the legendary “SPRINGBOK” and producer of winners in 4 different lofts. His dam, “OLD JOE G/DAUGHTER” (12850/18), is a granddaughter of Joe Gomes’ legendary “OLD JOE” – a 2 X winner for Jules Jurgens and an immediate success in our stock loft, producing a 3 X Winner and the 1st YB Ace Pigeon Vanderbijlpark for Bennie Smit. This cock has a super throat and eye .SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fwm	R9,500	Winning Bid: R10,000

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