LOT 12 END JUNE – ZA 24 LVR 184 -SIRE: 785 ZA 20 RADR. KITTEL. THIS IS A GRANDSON OF DOUBLE ROSITA AND DOUBLE KITTEL.—-DAM: 1177 ZA 23 ABL. KITTEL. THIS IS A DOUBLE GRANDCHILD TO THE OLYPIC PAIR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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21st October 2026 0:20	LOT 11 DIE PAINTERS – ZA 24 KPU 2241 – “WHIPRAM” Painter Putterie Cock Bbwf Grandson of the MIRACLE BREEDER “BLUE WHIP”. Bred for stock out of two great breeders to retain the valuable blood of the legendary hen “LITTLE MAMA” – there are too many champions in her progeny to mention here, but she must rate as one of the best producing hens in SA over the last 15 years; her children were not only great racers but even better producers. Direct son of “REPLICA WHIP”, a super breeding son of MIRACLE BREEDER “BLUE WHIP” – the only cock in SA to have bred SANPO Gold Medal Winners, and also grandfather to the 2024 Afrikapro Green Jacket Winner & 6th Afrikapro Final 2026. The mother of “WHIPRAM” is the best daughter of our previous generation No 1 breeding cock “BLUE STALLION” when he was mated to “LITTLE MAMA”, who is the mother of MIRACLE BREEDER “BLUE WHIP”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	fuad	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
20th October 2026 23:58	LOT 57 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Andreas Eracleous-SA-26-1185 -SIRE:ZA 24-OERF-260 ZA-24-OERF-260 · Blue Check AFRIKAPRO 2025 · 3rd Blue Jacket · 7th Brown Jacket Bred by Burt & Andreas.—————DAM:”New Generation” GB-24-D-68234 · Blue Bar AFRIKAPRO 2025 · 6th Blue Jacket · 14th Brown Jacket · 12th Final 601 km Bred by Mountain Lofts (Ferdie Lubbe).SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fuad	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
20th October 2026 23:45	LOT 76 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-TNT John Kev-ZA-25-GPU-2626 -SIRE: ZA 25 TURFPETS 4125 — TNT Elite, Blue Check Bred from ZA 22 CRU 1365, “TNT’s Turbo Kittel,” and BE 23 4190785, “Blizzard Queen.” His sire is a full brother to Turbo Kittel, whose record includes eight SANPO medals: six gold, one silver and one bronze. TNT’s Turbo Kittel himself scored 12 positions. His dam, Blizzard Queen, is a full sister to Blizzard Legend and Blizzard Princess, bringing together the Blizzard King Kittel and Flanders Collection bloodlines.————– DAM: ZA 21 GPU 8118 “Villeneuve” — TNT, Blue Bar A proven racing hen with recorded positions of 136th, 105th, 60th, 141st and 78th, plus 54th in the Blue Jacket. She is a full sister to 7544, the 1st Ace Young Bird BHS. Bred from ZA 18 GPU 8002, carrying Andries Small and Tom Lock bloodlines through “Broken Keel Cock” and “Roland Bouwer/Lock,” and ZA 19 CYRL 4790, “Daisy 1.” Her maternal pedigree includes “Joko,” the federation’s best long-distance bird in 2017, and “Dancing Queen,” dam of the 3rd Ace Dinokeng and 10th Ace SAMDPR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	fuad	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
20th October 2026 23:31	LOT 56 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Black Jacket Syndicate-GB-25-A-79665 -SIRE:ZA 25 MOUN 13.Alias “GRACE LINE” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS Color: BLUE CHECK.————–DAM:ZA 22 MOUN 601 .Alias “BEST PEGASUS” Strain: BEST KITTEL Color: BLUE CHECK ”BEST PEGASUS” ZA22 MOUN 601 HER FIRST EVER BABY WON A SPRINT RACE AT 4 MONTH OLD. TOP BREEDER BRED OUT OF THE BEST WORLD CLASS GENETIC’S AVAIABLE BEST KITTEL X HOOYMANS DON’T BE SORRY THIS HEN WILL MAKE A DIFFRENCE.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	gertswart	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
20th October 2026 23:14	ZZ..LOT 140 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Velghe Pigeons-BE-25-3095150 –	norman-phillips	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
20th October 2026 23:01	LOT 61 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0477 -35TH BLUE JACKET , 24TH GREEN JACKET———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	outafric	R3,500	Current bid: R3,500
20th October 2026 23:01	LOT 61 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0477 -35TH BLUE JACKET , 24TH GREEN JACKET———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	gjsudhshsh	R3,000	Current bid: R3,500
20th October 2026 23:01	LOT 61 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0477 -35TH BLUE JACKET , 24TH GREEN JACKET———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	outafric	R2,500	Current bid: R3,500
20th October 2026 23:01	LOT 61 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0477 -35TH BLUE JACKET , 24TH GREEN JACKET———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	outafric	R1,500	Current bid: R3,500
20th October 2026 23:01	LOT 61 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0477 -35TH BLUE JACKET , 24TH GREEN JACKET———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	gjsudhshsh	R2,000	Current bid: R3,500
20th October 2026 22:54	LOT 16 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-OOA & Len Knoetze Lofts-ZA-25-GRPF-0428 -43RD FINAL RACE———-SIRE: ZA 17 GPU 08526 — “NR 1 SON OF NR 1 HEN” A blue bar cock from the Out of Africa Aces strain and a proven breeder. Bred from ZA 14 GPU 04624, “2 × Middle Distance Aces”, and ZA 09 THU 08816, “Mother of the Loft”, he combines Tom Lock and S anpo Gold Medal bloodlines. His offspring include ZA GRPF 0477/25, 24th Green Jacket and 11th Blue Jacket after Race 7, as well as ZA VPU 6674/24, “The Freak”. A strong breeding pedigree supported by winning and ace-performing offspring.————–DAM: 22 BELG 6218811 — “LADY AFRIKA PRO” A grizzle hen from the René Vervoort–Whiteman family, described in her pedigree as “Miss Unique White”. Bred from 12 BELG 6213412, “Late Meeuw”, and 21 BELG 6052999, “Full Sister White Man”, she carries the Meeuw, Whiteman and Olympic Rico family lines. Her first two youngsters entered at Afrika Pro were ZA GRPF 0477/25 and ZA GRPF 0428/25. The latter achieved 44th Brown Jacket after Race 6, including 57th over 200 km and 41st over 383 km.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	outafric	R2,500	Current bid: R2,500
20th October 2026 22:29	LOT 93 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Webster Lofts-ZA-25-EC/DRPC-421 -SIRE:Mealie Cock 989 -24 -EC/DRPC “SILVER MOON MAN” WEBSTER Bred for stock, an absolutely perfect cock in hand and full brother to: “BLUE MOON”, 819-24-DRPC Entered into Dinokeng OLR 2024 as a very late bred baby just before the closing of loft intake. An absolute racing Machine and the best performance in the history of the Dinokeng Million Rand OLR ever!!! 6/8 times in the 1 st drop in the race season. Winning R500 000 —————-DAM:BB Hen 204 -18 -DPCD “NEWLY PACKAGED” WEBSTER A super racer and multiple winner for us at Webster Lofts Half-sister to: (All bred by “DE JAVU) 5468 -16 -BDR “Refugee” 1 st Diaz1 ACE Points & Benzing velocity, 2 nd Final race 2017 (Best race record in Diaz1 OLR history)SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!	taubenmaenner	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
20th October 2026 22:26	LOT 73 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Bredenhand – Pigeon Palace-ZA-25-TPA-7313 -93RD FINAL—————SIRE: VSL-23-55 C — “Bont Best Kittel” An inbred Best Kittel cock, bred from “Melt’s Best Kittel” TRPF-19-17937 and “Queen Milla” ZA-22-0165 through a half-brother × half-sister mating. Both parents trace directly to “Melt’s Best Kittel” BELG-18-4234468. His pedigree records him as an excellent breeder of one-loft racing champions, with a family background of ace birds and combine winners.————– DAM: ODRA-20-1818 H — “Citation” An inbred “Carcinoma” hen, bred from “Carcinoma” YSC LIM-09-03236 paired to his own daughter, “Kiranoma” CYRIL-19-1017. She combines Aelbrecht and Kaasboer bloodlines. Her sire was the 7th Carnival finalist and sired the 2018 Victoria Falls Yearling World Challenge winner. Her dam, “Kiranoma,” is described in the pedigree as an exceptional handling hen. “Citation” was one of two youngsters produced from this final father-to-daughter mating.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	basil	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
20th October 2026 22:03	LOT 45 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Loft Einkamerer Sylvelee Flyers-ZA-25-LOFT EINKAMERER-218 -15TH RACE 1 EQUAL WINNER———–SAME BRED AS GREEN JACKET LEADER UP TO RACE 3 AFRIKAPRO 2026——–SIRE:305 ZA24 EIN.Alias “Black Lone bird 364”. EINKAMERER.—————DAM:ZA 22 0040. LOFT EINKAMERER.DIRECT GRANDCHILD TO “CLAPTON”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	zwarts	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
20th October 2026 21:59	LOT 17 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Mountain Lofts & Murray & Mills B-ZA-25-MOUN-126 -9TH RACE 9 EQUAL WINNER———–SIRE: “GAME CHANGER” NL21 1035996. SUPER BREEDER WITH ALL TOP PRODUCERS OUT OF DIRK VAN BULCK KITTELS, GREIPEL, GOEDE RODE , OLYMPIC ROSITA, KITTEL, KONICA FULL BROTHER OLYMPIC ROSITA, GOLD DUST BEST BREEDING SISTER OF KITTEL THE WORLD FAMOUS BREEDER “KITTEL” BEST KBDB ACE PIGEON IN BELGIUM HISTORY.—————DAM:ZA 18 MOUN 884.Alias “KANNIBAAL QUEEN” Strain: MOUNTAIN LOFTS- KANNIBAAL Color: BLUE BAR ”KANNIBAAL QUEEN” ZA18 MOUN 884 BDERD MULTIPLE WINNERS ONE OF OUR KEY BREEDING HEN’S DAM TO” FINE IMAGE” ZA20 MOUN 1180 1ST HOTSPOT 1 CARNIVAL SUMMER SERIES 2020 BRED FOR OWN STOCK TO PRESERVE THE SUPER KANNIBAAL GENES SIRE GB11 36172 GRANDSON”KANNIBAAL.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	namakwalander	R3,000	Current bid: R3,000
20th October 2026 21:34	ZZ..LOT 127 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Bevermann-Huenten-R.A.M. Annandale (Single)-(ZA)-(26)-BRPF-327 –	jacquesjvr	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
20th October 2026 21:30	LOT 60 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Hollywood Lou Loft-AU-25-ARPU-114055 -SIRE — GFL 1091-2022 \| Blue Bar Cock Bred by Ganus, this cock combines two outstanding Afrika Pro performers. His sire, “Safari” ZA BWD 450-21, placed 2nd in the Afrika Pro Final Race, winning US$100,000. His dam, “Karayel Ace” 21 SSPO 18003, won the 2022 Afrika Pro Blue Jacket award as 1st Ace Pigeon, earning US$150,000. An impressive pedigree combining final-race performance and consistent average-speed excellence.———— DAM — 19 HOLL 323 \| Blue Bar Hen A proven producer for Hollywood Lou Loft, credited with breeding the 1st-place winner of the 2025 La Perch 350-mile race and the 1st Average Speed Old Bird winner in the 2025 High Desert series. Her offspring’s recorded results also include 4th at 300 miles, 3rd at 360 miles and 25th in the 2025 Big Andy 500-mile race. She is bred from “Iron Man” AU11/POP 99 and 17 HOLLYWOODLOU 15, bringing together a family of racers and money winners.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	hobbyloft	R5,500	Current bid: R5,500
20th October 2026 21:28	ZZ..LOT 129 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-East Rand Walling Pty Ltd-ZA-25-GPU-2648 –	arnosracers	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
20th October 2026 21:28	ZZ..LOT 171 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Jannie Bredenhand-ZA-25-CRU-4559 –	jbredenhand	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
20th October 2026 21:23	LOT 89 AFRIKAPRO AUCTION 1-Heerden Lofts A-ZA-25-BWD-2564 -SIRE: 519 ABL 21 — “OLIMPIC KITTEL 168” A mealy cock from Alwyn Bester, combining Dirk Van den Bulck’s proven Kittel bloodlines. Bred from “Oupa Turbo Kittel” 63384 GB 18 and “Kittel Inbred” 1418637 NLD 19, with Dynasty Kittel, Kittel Bolt, Vince and Gitana featuring in his ancestry. His sisters have produced multiple winners, including eight SANPO medal winners, highlighting the family’s strong breeding record.—————— DAM: 9412 ROUS 19 — “ROUSIE” A blue bar hen carrying the established Tom Lock and Rous bloodlines. Bred from 16307 CAS 13 and 236 CAS 14, she is linebred to “Gold Metal” 5069 NOK 93, with the renowned Car Hen 11305 also in her pedigree. Her family combines proven racing ability with breeding strength. The pedigree credits her daughter, “Ratel Rose,” with winning R350,000 at Phala in 2024.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	leonvv	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000

LOT 12 END JUNE – ZA 24 LVR 184 -SIRE: 785 ZA 20 RADR. KITTEL. THIS IS A GRANDSON OF DOUBLE ROSITA AND DOUBLE KITTEL.—-DAM: 1177 ZA 23 ABL. KITTEL. THIS IS A DOUBLE GRANDCHILD TO THE OLYPIC PAIR.SEE PEDIGREE!!!

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