Active Auction-Reynders & Umberti August Auction 1-Friday 29 July to Monday 1 August 2022(20:00)

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.Lot 1 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 14 PWF 03923——-SIRE: NL 10 NL 2060747. Decendant of “SUPERCRACK” 10 X 1st Prize winner Decendant of “De Keizer” 14 x 1 Prize winner. DAM : PWDU 09 ZA 02694. Strain: JANSEN SUPREME GRONDELAAR. Color: BC. Top Racer for Dirk Reynders. Bred many winners for Eddie Reynders PWF 6315, 6316 etc. Brother is the Best Young Bird in Zwartkop club ZA 09 41261. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R1,000 Auction finished Auction finished
.Lot 2 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 19 PRPC 22440 BCHECK COCK – JANSEN. THIS IS BRED FROM A BROTHER SISTER MATING. SIRE: PWF 14 ZA 03491. JANSEN SUPREME. ALL FLIGHT PIGEON, EXCELLENT BREEDER. ALFONSO KLAAS. DAM : PWF 13 ZAD 2335. JANSEN GRONDELAAR KONSTANTIN. 2nd Colesberg , 7th Victoria West , 8th Richmond , 14th LeeuGamka . SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!.
Winning Bid: R750 Auction finished Auction finished
.Lot 3 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 15 PWF 2879——-JANSEN HEBBERECHT. SIRE: PWF 13 ZA 34187. LINE BRED OUT OF IMPORTED JANSENS FROM GERMANY, STROKA GUNTER, CHAMPION OF MUNCHEN. BASE LINE OF OUR JANSEN DE KLAK FAMILY FOR 40 YEARS. DAM: PWF 11 ZAD 6305. THIS HEN’S SIRE IS BRED OUT OF JOHAN KING. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R1,000 Auction finished Auction finished
.Lot 6 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 17 PWF 10420——–BROTHER OF “10420” TRAPPED IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS AT BLOEMFONTEIN CENTRAL LOFTS AND CAME 2ND IN MAIN RACE AND WON R 55000 SISTER OF KNOCKOUT WINNER DINOKENG “19365 CONQUERER” SISTER OF 2ND BARCELONA CAR RACE “SIX SECONDS”. SIRE : PWF 12 ZA 3210. JANSEN SUPREME. TRIPPLE CLUB WINNER AND PRETORIA FEDERATION WINNER . TOP BREEDER and RACER. SIRE TO HOTSPOT WINNER AT VIC FALLS. SIRE TO 2ND PLACE DINOKENG ONE RACE LOFTS, MISSED THE “BAKKIE FIRST PRICE” WITH 6 SECONDS. SIRE TO 2ND PLACE IN MAIN RACE AT BLOEMFONTEIN CENTRAL PROVINCIAL LOFTS WINNING R50 000.—–DAM : VNRF 15 ZA 0481. HARDY KRUGER. DAM OF HOTSPOT WINNER AT VIC FALLS. DAM OF 2ND PLACE DINOKENG ONE RACE LOFTS, MISSED THE “BAKKIE FIRST PRICE” WITH 6 SECONDS. DAM OF 2ND PLACE IN MAIN RACE AT BLOEMFONTEIN CENTRAL PROVINCIAL LOFTS WINNING R50 000. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R2,000 Auction finished Auction finished
.Lot 8 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 18 112243 BC C——–SIRE : PWF 13 ZA 1578. SCROYENS JANSEN. BEST YOUNG BIRD IN CLUB and PRETORIA UNION and 3rd BEST YB IN PRETORIA COMBINE. 1st club, 8th Pretoria Federation and 19th Combine Smithfield. 2nd club, 8th Pretoria Federation and 14th Combine. Winburg 5th club, 9th Pretoria Federation and 39th Combine. Colesberg 1st club, 4th Pretoria Federation Winburg 2nd club, 7th Pretoria Federation and 14th.———DAM: PWF 14 ZAD 2268. JANSEN SUPREME. BEST ALLROUND PIGEON IN PRETORIA FEDERATION. 1st Winburg , 3rd Trompsburg , 3rd Colesberg , 3rd Noupoort , 9th Winburg , 7th Dewetsdorp , 7th Aliwal North , 10th Trompsburg. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R750 Auction finished Auction finished
.Lot 9 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 14 05168——“HATAMAN 2” Wilhelm Stoll/Georg Oswal. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R1,000 Auction finished Auction finished
Lot 10 Reynders & Umberti Special Auction ZA 19 PRPC 16694 BB C———SIRE: PRPC 19 ZA 22424. SIRE BRED BY DEAN JOOSTE ——–DAM: PRPC 19 ZA 22416. SIRE BRED OUT OF DEAN JOOSTE VERBRUGGEN BIRDS CROSSED WITH JANSEN SUPREME. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R550 Auction finished Auction finished
LOT 35 – REYNDERS & UMBERTI –ZA 14 PWFD 0892——-SIRE : ZA 14 ZA 05168. “HATAMAN 2” Wilhelm Stoll/Georg Oswal. DAM: PRPC 09 ZA 41276. Strain: JANSEN SUPREME. Color: BB. 4th Richmond. 13th LeeuGamka. 20th Bloemfontein. 23rd Windburg etc. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!
Winning Bid: R1,000 Auction finished Auction finished

Date	Auction	Username	Bid	Status
14th July 2026 21:37	LOT 13 BOTHA LOFTS AUCTION 3 – ZA 25 CRU 4194 –	lmg	R5,000	Current bid: R5,000
14th July 2026 19:33	LOT 14 BOTHA LOFTS AUCTION 3 – ZA 25 CRU 4164 –	stroopsweet	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
14th July 2026 16:57	LOT 18 MID JULY – ZA 20 NRHU 3172 -SIRE:ZA-YSCLIM-12-3480.SUPERCRACK.Gold medal winner all distances! Best bird WCPTA – all distances 2013 average of 6000 birds. Scored 11 times Top 50 SWPC against avarage of 2500 birds. Full Uncle to “MIX” SAMDR winner. In 2020 he was responsible for breeding more than 7 winners!!———-DAM:ZA-WPHU-19-801.Granddaughter of “SUPERCRACK”. Only raced 3 times and was put to stock. She proved her ability in a very difficult Victoria West race 500km with best velocity joint liberation 10137 birds Federated Board Homing Union and Wester Cape Pigeon Transport Association truck.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	matthew	R2,000	Current bid: R2,000
14th July 2026 16:28	LOT 18 MID JULY – ZA 20 NRHU 3172 -SIRE:ZA-YSCLIM-12-3480.SUPERCRACK.Gold medal winner all distances! Best bird WCPTA – all distances 2013 average of 6000 birds. Scored 11 times Top 50 SWPC against avarage of 2500 birds. Full Uncle to “MIX” SAMDR winner. In 2020 he was responsible for breeding more than 7 winners!!———-DAM:ZA-WPHU-19-801.Granddaughter of “SUPERCRACK”. Only raced 3 times and was put to stock. She proved her ability in a very difficult Victoria West race 500km with best velocity joint liberation 10137 birds Federated Board Homing Union and Wester Cape Pigeon Transport Association truck.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	salahuddin	R1,500	Current bid: R2,000
14th July 2026 14:27	.LOT 4 FERDIE LUBBE “MOUNTAIN LOFTS” – ZA 22 MOUN 417 -BRED FOM OUR OLD PROVE DESMET FAMILY Only 2025 PWDU & TPA listed 7th PWDU Bloemfontein 440km , 8th PWDU Springfontein 565km————-SIRE:ZA 18 MOUN 639.Alias “NEW COMANDER” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: BLUE BAR “NEW COMANDER” ZA18 MOUN 639 VERY RELIABLE BREEDER OF WINNERS AND CONSISTANT PERFORMERS THE LAST FEW YEARS BRED FROM TWO SUPER LONG DISTANCE PIGEONS SIRE:-“MR GOLD” ZA10 24671 2 X PTA COMBINE WINNER CRADOCK 760KM AND NOUPOORT 700KM BOTH TIMES ONLY BIRD BACK ON THE DAY.————-DAM:ZA 18 MOUN 706 .Alias “AVANTE” Strain: FERDIE & PIETER LUBBE Color: MEALY “AVANTE” ZA18 MOUN 706 ONE OF OUR STAR BREEDERS DAM TO MULTIPLE WINNERS WITH DIFFERENT COCKS 1ST GAUTENG COMBINE SPRINGFONTEIN 570KM 1118MPM AGAINST 5000 PLUS PIGEONS 400 MEMBERS 1ST PTA- COMBINE SPRINGFONTEIN 570KM 1118MPM AGAINT 1819.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	cyril	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
14th July 2026 11:36	.LOT 2 FERDIE LUBBE “MOUNTAIN LOFTS” – ZA 22 MOUN 601 -HER FIRST EVER BABY WON A SPRINT RACE AT 4 MONTH OLD. TOP BREEDER BRED OUT OF THE BEST WORLD CLASS GENETIC’S AVAIABLE BEST KITTEL X HOOYMANS DON’T BE SORRY THIS HEN WILL MAKE A DIFFRENCE————SIRE: BELG 20 4186906 . Alias “BEST KITTEL 906″ Strain: BEST KITTEL Color: BLUE CHECK ” BEST KITTTEL 906″ BELG20 41869006 BRED BY PIPA STRONG INBRED SON X DAUGHTER OF THE FAMOUS BEST KITTEL. BEST KITTEL IS WINNER OF 1ST NAT. ACE KBDB SPRINT 2017 4TH NAT. ACE KBDDB SPRINT 2016 BRED AND RACED BY DEHONDENONSEAU.———-DAM: NL 21 1302162 .Alias “PAGASUS” Strain: HOOYMANS Color: BLUE CHECK “PEGASUS” NL21 1302162 12TH ACE CARNIVAL GOLD CUP.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	sydow	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
14th July 2026 11:10	.LOT 5 FERDIE LUBBE “MOUNTAIN LOFTS” – BELG 20 2029534 -SIRE: BELG 11 2051029 .Alias “LUCKY 29” Strain: DE RAUW – SABLON Color: BLUE BAR 100% DE RAUW SABLON SUPER BREEDER 6 X WINNER 1ST DOURDAN 2,487P SIRE TO: “LINDA” 27 X 1ST OLYMPIAD ACE BRUSSELS 2017 1ST PROV. ACE MD KBDB 2015 6TH NAT. ACE MD KBDB 2015 1ST SOUPPES 2732P 1ST SOUPPES 1572P 1ST SOUPPES 1181P.———–DAM:BELG 12 2178440 .Alias “INBRED DROMER” Color: BLUE BAR 100% KOOPMAN HALFSISTER TO 1ST SOUPPES SUR LOING 5227P 1S SOUPPES SUR LOING 3799P 1ST SOUPPES SUR LOING 2958P 1ST DOURDAN 1926P 1ST SOUPPES SUR LOING 1181P 1ST NOYON 1971P HALFSISTER “DROMER 208” SIRE 12 X 1ST PRIZE WINNERS GRAND DAUGHTER “DEN DROMER”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R5,000	Current bid: R5,000
14th July 2026 11:09	.LOT 3 FERDIE LUBBE “MOUNTAIN LOFTS” – DV 21 03391 309 -SIRE: DV 16-03391-9 – “RETURNED NO 09” A direct Andreas Möller cock bred from elite international one-loft genetics. This cock carries powerful Sunny Beach Derby and Victoria Falls bloodlines through SON DV06599-17-18, the 1st Final 451km Sunny Beach Derby (555 pigeons) for C. Spieker at an impressive 1235 m/min. The line also traces to AML Hercules, with family results including 165th Final Victoria Falls (4099 pigeons) and 43rd Final 520km Portugal (1783 pigeons). The pedigree is strengthened with legendary European bloodlines such as Wittenbuik, Kannibaal, and top Manfred Eichenlaub breeding lines, making this cock a strong genetic source of endurance and class.————-DAM: DV 18-03391-41 – “AMELIE” A proven racing hen and exceptional breeding daughter of Andreas Möller lofts. “Amelie” was a top performer in Portugal One Loft Racing: 1st Final Moledo Portugal Yearling Race – 435 km (422 pigeons) 10th – 358 km (438 pigeons) 10th – 435 km (501 pigeons) She has already proven her breeding value as dam to “Amelie 771”, winner of 2nd Ace Bird Corabia Winter Race (2597 pigeons), including 6th Final 500 km (825 pigeons) and 5th Semi Final 300 km (1254 pigeons). Her pedigree combines Prange Günter, Heremans, and Dirk De Beer bloodlines — an elite blend of speed, intelligence, and one-loft racing durability.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	reeba	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
14th July 2026 7:42	LOT 18 MID JULY – ZA 20 NRHU 3172 -SIRE:ZA-YSCLIM-12-3480.SUPERCRACK.Gold medal winner all distances! Best bird WCPTA – all distances 2013 average of 6000 birds. Scored 11 times Top 50 SWPC against avarage of 2500 birds. Full Uncle to “MIX” SAMDR winner. In 2020 he was responsible for breeding more than 7 winners!!———-DAM:ZA-WPHU-19-801.Granddaughter of “SUPERCRACK”. Only raced 3 times and was put to stock. She proved her ability in a very difficult Victoria West race 500km with best velocity joint liberation 10137 birds Federated Board Homing Union and Wester Cape Pigeon Transport Association truck.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	matthew	R1,000	Current bid: R2,000
13th July 2026 20:49	.LOT 1 MID JULY – ZA 24 BPPD 1283 -SIRE:ZA-CYRL-22-1968. GRIZZLE.Raced at Allflight Carnival One Loft 2023: 16e – 331km 18e – 483km 24e – 460km 35e – 483km 58e – 363km 63e – 610km Ranked within the Top 63 pigeons in all six races!!————DAM:ZA 22 GPU 4599. PIGEON PALACE. STEFAAN LAMBRECHT/WEDDERBURN.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	eben	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
12th July 2026 17:45	LOT 31 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 20 OERF 8212 -SIRE:ZA-CYRL-20-2477.Son of “MIX MAN”. Full brother of “MIX” and inbred “CARL LEWIS” hen of Hardy Kruger.———-DAM:ZA-OERF-22-8163.Daughter of “JOSEPH MIX”. Full brother to “MIX” and granddaughter to “SUN CITY” and “MIKE HAS A VERY GOOD ONE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	blue-sky-lofts	R2,500	Winning Bid: R2,500
12th July 2026 17:45	LOT 31 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 20 OERF 8212 -SIRE:ZA-CYRL-20-2477.Son of “MIX MAN”. Full brother of “MIX” and inbred “CARL LEWIS” hen of Hardy Kruger.———-DAM:ZA-OERF-22-8163.Daughter of “JOSEPH MIX”. Full brother to “MIX” and granddaughter to “SUN CITY” and “MIKE HAS A VERY GOOD ONE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bakkies	R2,000	Winning Bid: R2,500
12th July 2026 17:45	LOT 31 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 20 OERF 8212 -SIRE:ZA-CYRL-20-2477.Son of “MIX MAN”. Full brother of “MIX” and inbred “CARL LEWIS” hen of Hardy Kruger.———-DAM:ZA-OERF-22-8163.Daughter of “JOSEPH MIX”. Full brother to “MIX” and granddaughter to “SUN CITY” and “MIKE HAS A VERY GOOD ONE”.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	blue-sky-lofts	R1,500	Winning Bid: R2,500
12th July 2026 17:00	LOT 25 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 20 291761 -Sire: 14927 FB 14 “Golden Boy” — a top-performing cock from Boet Troskie & Ruan Louw Hokke, and a direct son of 0166 ZABPF D 12 “Mr Cape Town” x 0172 ZABPF D 12. He was an outstanding race bird, scoring 6th 853 km against 5,858 birds, 14th 187 km against 7,074 birds, 31st 591 km against 819 birds, 44th 208 km against 4,583 birds, 52nd 591 km against 1,332 birds, 66th 466 km against 2,461 birds, and 4th 776 km against 8,330 birds, with 19 top-10 club positions to his credit. “Golden Boy” became a proven breeder and was notably sold to President Cyril Ramaphosa. His sire Mr Cape Town was bred by Walter De Rijck, one of the loft’s very best stock cocks, and is also sire to 14926, breeder of the WCPTA Truck Winner 2020.————DAM:Dam: 1219 BDU/D 16 “Dream Girl” — a beautifully bred hen carrying the proven Ramsay Putterie / Julius Undl bloodlines. She is by 201 NRHU D 02 “Vere Cock”, a top stock cock and winner of 1st Club, 5th Union, Best Bird in Club 2004, who went on to sire multiple winners including 09/180 and 11/3987, both top performers at club, union and WCPTA level. The grandsire behind him is the legendary 5084 NRHU 95 “No.1 Cock”, a foundation breeder of several union winners, while granddam 1195 CWHU 96 “No.1 Hen” was equally influential as dam and granddam to multiple union winners. Dream Girl’s dam is 277 Fort Knox 14, a grizzle hen bred by Julius Undl, described as a super breeder and dam to several top WCPTA performers including 17/1675 and 16/0104, while also tracing to 868 NRHU D 11 and the champion hen 5500 NRHU P 10 “Prange”, a racer who reportedly flew only six races and was first bird home every time, winning twice and taking 2nd NRHU Union twice.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	lexi771979	R2,000	Winning Bid: R2,000
12th July 2026 16:58	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R7,500	Winning Bid: R7,500
12th July 2026 16:57	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	lexi771979	R7,000	Winning Bid: R7,500
12th July 2026 16:57	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	reeba	R6,500	Winning Bid: R7,500
12th July 2026 16:55	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	lexi771979	R6,000	Winning Bid: R7,500
12th July 2026 16:53	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	dodge-ram	R5,500	Winning Bid: R7,500
12th July 2026 16:53	LOT 15 WORLD CUP FEVER AUCTION – ZA 21 11338 -SIRE:10741 ZA 21.”DEBBIE’S BABY”.WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS COCK!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.————-DAM:10740 ZA 21 “LAURA’S WINNER” BB Ganus WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED IN A PURE GANUS HEN!!! INBRED TO SUN CITY, MARGO’S TREASURE, WOLVERINE, ABBIGAIL, SAID IN SPUN SILVER. SHE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	f1-lofts	R5,000	Winning Bid: R7,500

Active Auction-Reynders & Umberti August Auction 1-Friday 29 July to Monday 1 August 2022(20:00)

.Lot 9 Reynders & Umberti August 1 ZA 14 05168——“HATAMAN 2” Wilhelm Stoll/Georg Oswal. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!

Lot 10 Reynders & Umberti Special Auction ZA 19 PRPC 16694 BB C———SIRE: PRPC 19 ZA 22424. SIRE BRED BY DEAN JOOSTE ——–DAM: PRPC 19 ZA 22416. SIRE BRED OUT OF DEAN JOOSTE VERBRUGGEN BIRDS CROSSED WITH JANSEN SUPREME. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!

LOT 35 – REYNDERS & UMBERTI –ZA 14 PWFD 0892——-SIRE : ZA 14 ZA 05168. “HATAMAN 2” Wilhelm Stoll/Georg Oswal. DAM: PRPC 09 ZA 41276. Strain: JANSEN SUPREME. Color: BB. 4th Richmond. 13th LeeuGamka. 20th Bloemfontein. 23rd Windburg etc. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!!!!