ACTIVE AUCTION - FERDIE COETZER - FROM 08 MAY TO SUNDAY 12 MAY 2024 (ENDS FROM 13:45)

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.LOT 2 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 23 GPU 3652 -The sire of ZA 23 GPU 3652 is 3 x linebred to ” Melts Best Kittel ” one of the very best sons of the world famous ” Best Kittel ” . Melts Best Kittel was hand selected at PIPA Elite Centre . Dam to 3652 is a high quality granddaughter to our foundation cock 1280 ” Die Bont Cock ” .This youngster has exceptional muscles and wings .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 3 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 23 PRDK 529 -Bred from a full brother x sister mating . This is a top class young hen with a beautiful built and balance and medium in size . The Blou Bul x Twilight combination is a potent one . ZA 23 PRDK 529 can become a top stock hen , she has great qualities to her.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!
Winning Bid: R1,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 4 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 23 TRPF 17134 -This young Kittel x Blou Bul cock outstanding characteristic is his muscles . To go along with his fantastic pectoral muscles he has a medium size strong structure . A silky plumage completes this super athlete of the sky . Linebred to the best of the Kittel pigeons . Surely a future star .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 5 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OP 17625 -Spritzy was the sister to Blou Bul , Rocky , Golden Eggs and Ref . C SA 92/77058 . These 5 pigeons all became mega breeders in the Republic . Spritzy bred ” Brahman ” foundation cock Koert Grobler . Blou Bul sired THU 98 / 13357 foundation cock Schmidt / Bouwer . Golden Eggs is dam to ” Queen of the Sky ” . The check cock Ref . C sired ” Little Star ” and ” Little Blue ” . A dynasty of the best re producing pigeon family in the country . ZA 24 OP 17625 , medium size super handling hen is a combination of these all time greats .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 6 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2006 -Superb offering . Brother x sister mating inbred to the best of Kittel and Blou Bul . Top handler . Supremely muscled . Medium small in size . The perfect fit for a stock loft . Something Special .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 7 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 23 GPU 3648 -” Star Eyes ” is bred from a son of my nr 1 hen 399 ( Kittel / Blou Bul ) mated to a daughter of her 1017 ( a winner ) sister to Stingray . This hen is halfbrother x halfsister Kittel and Blou Bul .Perfect medium size handler with endless wings . Star Eyes is highly recommended ..SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 8 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 23 PRDK 527 -This will make a top stock cock . In his pedigree all the key pigeons from the golden genetics of the Blou Bul and Spritzy pigeons . Medium size , super balanced . These pigeons have the rare ability to breed champions competing and winning over all distances locally as well as international level . Lots of potential in this youngster .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R5,500 Auction finished Auction finished
.LOT 9 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2004 -is a splitting image of her mother the Alice Band Hen . This youngster represent the best of the modern era , Kittel as well as the well established and proven Blou Bul family . She is a top class racing pigeon and the result of a golden line of winners and champions . Linebred to Kittel and Blou Bul .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
LOT 10 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 CARNIVAL LOFT 0157 -Spritzy was the sister to Blou Bul , Rocky , Golden Eggs and Ref . C SA 92/77058 . These 5 pigeons all became mega breeders in the Republic . Spritzy bred ” Brahman ” foundation cock Koert Grobler . Blou Bul sired THU 98 / 13357 foundation cock Schmidt / Bouwer . Golden Eggs is dam to ” Queen of the Sky ” . The check cock Ref . C sired ” Little Star ” and ” Little Blue ” . A dynasty of the best re producing pigeon family in the country . ZA 24 CARNIVAL 0157, medium to small size hen is a combination of these all time greats .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
LOT 11 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2008 -The sire of ZA 24 OERLE 2008 is 3 x linebred to ” Melts Best Kittel ” one of the very best sons of the world famous ” Best Kittel ” . Melts Best Kittel was hand selected at PIPA Elite Centre . Dam to 3652 is a high quality granddaughter to our foundation cock 1280 ” Die Bont Cock ” .This youngster is a real cracker jack hen bordering on perfection . Great hen ..SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R2,500 Auction finished Auction finished
LOT 12 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 KPUD 942 -Spritzy was the sister to Blou Bul , Rocky , Golden Eggs and Ref . C SA 92/77058 . These 5 pigeons all became mega breeders in the Republic . Spritzy bred ” Brahman ” foundation cock Koert Grobler . Blou Bul sired THU 98 / 13357 foundation cock Schmidt / Bouwer . Golden Eggs is dam to ” Queen of the Sky ” . The check cock Ref . C sired ” Little Star ” and ” Little Blue ” . A dynasty of the best re producing pigeon family in the country . ZA 24 KPUD 942 , medium size super handling cock is a combination of these all time greats .SEE PEDIGREE!!!
Winning Bid: R1,500 Auction finished Auction finished

Date	Auction	Username	Bid	Status
7th December 2025 15:43	LOT 29 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9409 ZA 24 GPU -SIRE:08668 ZA 15. BRED BY ANDRE CARELSEN.———–DAM:4770 ZA 21 CYRL..Super breeder for Jaco Faul. Bred winner with Tom Lock cock 1st year in stock. Sire is ZA GPU 13771 ’15 DOUBLE CARELLY, Jaco Faul nr 1 CARELLY cock. Half-sister to the sire of TATJANA, ZA CYRIL 1448 ’22 BEST OF CARELLY, super racer for Die Painters in 2024..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	brad	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
7th December 2025 15:33	LOT 55 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 24 GPU 9236 -SIRE:6154 ZA 21 NKHPT.Alias “LAST SON OOGAPPEL” Strain: Danie Scholtz Color: Blue Check Bred for stock. Out of the best of Tom Lock Bred back 4 Times to SA THU 19150 ’02 “R80 000 Super Cock” mated to his click hen SA THU 1648 ’03.———–DAM:DAM: 3002 ZA 23 GPU. Alias “HETTIES GOLD” Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Bar ZA GPU 3001 ’23 HETTIES GOLD bred for stock. Sire, ZA SVPV 1110 ’16 ROCKY bred OLR winner. His full brothers and sisters bred union, federation and OLR winners! Mother, ZA CYRIL’s 4863 ’14 HETTIES GOLD bred double equal OLR winner, her full brothers and sisters bred union, federation.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	koosvn	R4,000	Current bid: R4,000
7th December 2025 15:33	LOT 55 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 24 GPU 9236 -SIRE:6154 ZA 21 NKHPT.Alias “LAST SON OOGAPPEL” Strain: Danie Scholtz Color: Blue Check Bred for stock. Out of the best of Tom Lock Bred back 4 Times to SA THU 19150 ’02 “R80 000 Super Cock” mated to his click hen SA THU 1648 ’03.———–DAM:DAM: 3002 ZA 23 GPU. Alias “HETTIES GOLD” Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Bar ZA GPU 3001 ’23 HETTIES GOLD bred for stock. Sire, ZA SVPV 1110 ’16 ROCKY bred OLR winner. His full brothers and sisters bred union, federation and OLR winners! Mother, ZA CYRIL’s 4863 ’14 HETTIES GOLD bred double equal OLR winner, her full brothers and sisters bred union, federation.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	bakkies	R3,500	Current bid: R4,000
7th December 2025 15:22	LOT 17 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9253 ZA 224 GPU -, bred for stock. Father x Daughter mating. Sire, PILOT EYE, 4th ACE bird OLR Dinokeng 2020 & 8th, Dinokeng Barzalona race 2020, 624km, 985 m/min. Father to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng One Loft Race, 12 September 2021, flown from Hanover, Speed 1052.25 m/min. Dam, MISS NAVIGATOR, mother to GALAXY STAR, 2nd place Carnival One Loft Summer Final Race 2023, with only three pigeons clocked on the day.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	et	R3,000	Winning Bid: R3,000
7th December 2025 15:21	LOT 17 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9253 ZA 224 GPU -, bred for stock. Father x Daughter mating. Sire, PILOT EYE, 4th ACE bird OLR Dinokeng 2020 & 8th, Dinokeng Barzalona race 2020, 624km, 985 m/min. Father to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng One Loft Race, 12 September 2021, flown from Hanover, Speed 1052.25 m/min. Dam, MISS NAVIGATOR, mother to GALAXY STAR, 2nd place Carnival One Loft Summer Final Race 2023, with only three pigeons clocked on the day.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	jacquesjvr	R2,500	Winning Bid: R3,000
7th December 2025 15:18	LOT 17 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9253 ZA 224 GPU -, bred for stock. Father x Daughter mating. Sire, PILOT EYE, 4th ACE bird OLR Dinokeng 2020 & 8th, Dinokeng Barzalona race 2020, 624km, 985 m/min. Father to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng One Loft Race, 12 September 2021, flown from Hanover, Speed 1052.25 m/min. Dam, MISS NAVIGATOR, mother to GALAXY STAR, 2nd place Carnival One Loft Summer Final Race 2023, with only three pigeons clocked on the day.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	et	R2,000	Winning Bid: R3,000
7th December 2025 15:15	LOT 25 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -3121 ZA 23 GPU -SIRE: 4398 ZA 19 GPU .Alias “MORNE’S WIT RING COCK” Strain: MORNE LOCK WHITE FINGER Color: Blue Bar 2 X WINNER. RACED 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 9, 9, 9 WHITFIELD CLUB.———–DAM:03425 ZA 17 GPU.Alias “GEM” Color: Blue Bar Super breeder for Jaco Faul. Children also breeds winners. Sire is ZA GPU 13771 ’15 DOUBLE CARELLY, Jaco Faul nr 1 CARELLY cock. Half-sister to the sire of TATJANA, ZA CYRIL 1448 ’22 BEST OF CARELLY, super racer for Die Painters in 2024.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	pigeonpete	R1,000	Winning Bid: R1,000
7th December 2025 15:13	LOT 17 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9253 ZA 224 GPU -, bred for stock. Father x Daughter mating. Sire, PILOT EYE, 4th ACE bird OLR Dinokeng 2020 & 8th, Dinokeng Barzalona race 2020, 624km, 985 m/min. Father to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng One Loft Race, 12 September 2021, flown from Hanover, Speed 1052.25 m/min. Dam, MISS NAVIGATOR, mother to GALAXY STAR, 2nd place Carnival One Loft Summer Final Race 2023, with only three pigeons clocked on the day.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	jacquesjvr	R1,500	Winning Bid: R3,000
7th December 2025 15:12	LOT 43 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9177 ZA 24 GPU -SIRE: 4398 ZA 19 GPU .Alias “MORNE’S WIT RING COCK” Strain: MORNE LOCK WHITE FINGER Color: Blue Bar 2 X WINNER. RACED 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 9, 9, 9 WHITFIELD CLUB.————DAM: 03426 ZA 17 GPU.Alias “SUPER 26” Color: Blue Bar Super breeder for Jaco Faul. Children also breeds winners. Sire is ZA GPU 13771 ’15 DOUBLE CARELLY, Jaco Faul nr 1 CARELLY cock. Half-sister to the sire of TATJANA, ZA CYRIL 1448 ’22 BEST OF CARELLY, super racer for Die Painters in 2024..SEE PEDIGREE!!!	emmaus	R1,000	Current bid: R1,000
7th December 2025 15:02	LOT 36 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9343 ZA 24 GPU -SIRE: 9510 ZA 23 GPU .Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Bar Pied KITTEL’s are making a HUGE impact in our lofts since 2024!!! Sire, TEXAS, bred from the best of DIRK Van Den Bulck, back to PADELI, son to BROTHER GOEDE RODE and GOLDEN LEO 999. SUPER Genetics!!! Dam, BEST YB BCRPC, best YB middle distance GPU 2019, best overall long distance GPU 2019.————–DAM: 3409 ZA 22 GPU .Alias “MAK HEN / NEVER DIE” Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Check Bred from our best Sablon x Twilight / Tom Lock blood available. ZA GPU 3409 ’22 MAK HEN / NEVER 2nd Best Pigeon Overall GPU 2024, Best Long Distance Pigeon GPU 2024. Sire, ZA SVPV 1110 ’16 ROCKY, superbreeder for Danie Scholtz. Dam, ZA 06121 ’15 SUPER TT, most beautiful handling hen bred out of GOLDEN TT. Also a superbreeder for Danie Scholtz. Dam to ZA NK 5900 ’18 in her first breeding.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	tommieterblancheyahoo-com	R1,500	Current bid: R1,500
7th December 2025 14:56	LOT 15 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -9449 ZA 24 GPU -SIRE:9292 ZA 24 GPU.Alias “TEXAS DOUBLE GOLD” Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Bar White Flt Bred for stock. Sire, TEXAS bred by Marcel Sangers. Father is PADELI, super breeder out of BROTHER GOEDE RODE and GOLDEN LEO 9999. Dam, DOUBLE GOLD DUST III bred by Marcel Sangers. Double grandchild of GOLD DUST, best breeding sister KITTEL in the world. ———–DAM: 3005 ZA 23 GPU.Alias “SISTER 10150 x 1474” Strain: J Faul & DJ Scholtz Color: Blue Bar Bred for stock from our best Tom Lock’s! ZA 10150 ’16 father to HOPE, 18th place, Hotspot 2, Central Provincial Lofts 2020, 320km, vel. 1330 m/min. ZA 10150 ’16 father to VICTORIA Winner of Nineth Race Penultimate at Diaz One Loft 2021, 197km, vel. 1455 m/min. ZA 10150 ’16 father to STORMKIND mother to ZA SANPO 13142 ’22 JEANNIE final equal winner Dinokeng One Loft Race 2023. APPLESTAR direct daughter of MR WORLD x OOGAPPEL.SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	zwarts	R1,000	Winning Bid: R1,000
7th December 2025 14:41	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	koosvn	R7,000	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:41	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	pigeonpete	R6,500	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:35	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	koosvn	R6,000	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:33	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	pigeonpete	R5,500	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:32	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	koosvn	R5,000	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:32	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	pigeonpete	R4,500	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:30	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	koosvn	R4,000	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:30	.LOT 3 DANIE SCHOLTZ / JACO FAUL -ZA 23 GPU 3058 -Bred from our best SABLON x TOM LOCK Genetics. Sire, BROTHER MISS NAVIGATOR, full brother to MISS NAVIGATOR, Bakkie winner for JJJ vd Linde & DJ Scholtz, Dinokeng OLR 2021. Dam, BALL OF GOLD, superbreeder for J Faul & DJ Scholtz. Sister to ZA 10830 ’16 MONIQUE, SANPO GOLD LONG DISTANCE 2018. BALL OF GOLD dam to ZA GPU 11958 ’20 BEST LONG DISTANCE GPU, 2nd Best Long Distance bird GPU 2021, and Best Long Distance bird GPU 2022. SEE PEDIGREE!!!!	bakkies	R3,500	Winning Bid: R7,000
7th December 2025 14:22	.LOT 6 INTERNATIONAL AUCTION -QATAR-25-2136 ——–SAME BRED AS SIRE TO SAIPR WINNER 2025 WINNING R500 000.00———–UMM BIRKA IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENT RACERS AT AFRIKAPRO 3 X TOP 5 BLACK JACKET THE LAST 3 YEARS—–Full sibling to : 9th Race8 480Km 1964p. AfrikaPro Premier One Loft Series 2025——-———SIRE:ZA J&B-22-430 C JOELEX Du Preez & Deetlefs Chec 32. Race12 480Km 1034p. 43. Race8 300Km 1367p. AfrikaPro Premier One Loft Series 2023. DAM WERE DINOKENG FINAL RACE WINNER.———–DAM:QTR 22-820 H AFRIKA 820 Umm Birka Loft Chec 9. Race7 240Km 1424p. 30. Race9 330Km 986p. 94. Race5 330Km 2437p. 69. Race6 201Km 1454p. AfrikaPro Premier One Loft Series 2023. SIRE WERE 1e 280KM 633P AfrikaPro Premier One Loft Series 2022.DAM WERE 15. final winner & 5. ace over 10 official races in the Afrika Pro Series 2022.SEE PEDIGREE!!!	spearlofts	R5,500	Winning Bid: R5,500

ACTIVE AUCTION - FERDIE COETZER - FROM 08 MAY TO SUNDAY 12 MAY 2024 (ENDS FROM 13:45)

.LOT 6 FERDIE COETZER – ZA 24 OERL 2006 -Superb offering . Brother x sister mating inbred to the best of Kittel and Blou Bul . Top handler . Supremely muscled . Medium small in size . The perfect fit for a stock loft . Something Special .SEE PEDIGREE!!!